Puppy Buyers

[BlackJaq]

No I couldn't shoot me,

Obviously, since you are still here :laugh:

[Jed]

Well, I am glad I missed the crappy bits; not that I care much.

For the umpteen time - working is not the issue, the issue is that people who work should have something in place for the pup so it is not alone for 10 or 12 hours a day with no stimulation.

If you want to buy a pup, take it home, plonk it in the laundry or outside, and toddle off to work for 9 hours every day, good for you. God help the pup. And if you are one who cannot see the problem, and come on here waving flags and shouting abuse all you have done is reinforced that you are a poor owner.

Wundahoo and I have had far more experience than 100% of you, including Voloclydes.

My post was meant to be a heads up about making plans if you work and want a baby puppy. You took it as a negative about your ownership .... even though it was couched in plain English and small words which anyone could understand; because some of you wanted to have a brawl. I know about that; I've been on this forum for a long time.

But a lot of you made yourselves looks stupid, and once again, reinforced to the better breeders just how many people were unsuitable owners, or would lie.

Voloclydes as there are about 200% more enquiries that most purebred pups (apart from a few unpopular breeds) breeders can afford to pick and choose. I have always done that even when there were as many pups as homes.

A decent rescue wouldn't let a pup go home with someone who planned to be at work for the greater part of the day, and not make arrangements for the pup.

So don't bother to breeder bash.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Jed

[Chocolatelover]

I agree with Jed - I would never ever get a puppy and leave it on its own all day. A friend of my husbands recently told me he was thinking of getting a pup and asked me what breed I thought would be OK left on its own. With travel time he works 11 hours a day and he has his kids every second weekend and likes to take them out and about. I said I didn't think it was fair to the pup - unless he had someone who could puppy sit during the day and do walks, training and feeding. I told him how much time he would realistically need to dedicate to a dog for its whole life - puppy school, socialising, training, exercise etc - and thankfully he decided against it.

I guess the point is that most people who were outraged at the OP actually do put measures in place to make sure their new pup isn't in this situation. So it doesn't apply to them anyway And the arguments that maybe people lie or won't do what they say or are at home but will ignore the dog are valid, but surely this isn't a reason to lower your expectations for puppies you have bought into the world and are responsible for? And why should a breeder who cares so much be held responsible for the ignorant public going to a pet shop or BYB if they decide a home isn't suitable for one of their pups?

It is a fact of life that most of us have to work for a living but potential dog owners that believe a dog will just slot into their life without having to make any adjustments or sacrifices are highly likely to see their dog as "just a dog" and not as a member of the family. And I wouldn't want a pup I had bred to go to a home like this either.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Chocolatelover

[cowanbree]

I will be asking breeders who have seen me and followed Sophie just to be kind enough to pick me without the crappy jumping thru hoops. If we are still deemed crap owners.... Then I will purchase from other sources, as I have the skills to work with those dogs.

No drama... But a breeder behind a screen will not tell me I won't have a dog or 6!

I assuming breeders who know you and Sophie have a fairly good idea as to the home you offer which is a little different. Personally I wouldn't want to buy off a breeder that didn't make me jump through hoops as it sends a clear message that they are not really that concerned about the puppies they breed. I can assure you for every great home enquiry I get there are another 4 that are rubbish and the only way that can be sorted is to ask question

[voloclydes]

No where did I say don't ask, but what I found and in the beginning I spent 2 hours a day email places, recuses breeders adverts.

It was time consuming, and the judgement made based on very narrow criteria which is often the case astounded me. You can just say no to a perspective buyer, but to say you based your judgment on in one case a particular fence to me is strange and judgemental.

For another to say I don't understand dals or dogs when I have told them I have had strings of jrts and working type dog how much harder can a dal be.... Don't all dog respond to training?

It's more about waffly judgements based on x = y real life is all about shades... It's not one size fits all. It can also be about helping people gain knowledge.... While you might have 200 buyers lined up,is it not better to change thru example and exposure someone's ideas about dog ownership, thus maybe saving one from being dumped?

Not every city or town person has had much to do with dogs, it's not like farm kids, to us dogs were around we all just learnt how to deal with them in all respects. Most city folks are likely to have limited acces due to councils ruling on numbers of dogs in the burbs. It's about trying to change things by example.

If people experience with you is too hard then yes, they will tend to take easier options like the oodles on fb.

[Akayla]

Im all for breeders being picky although my experience is that people are good liars. However I watched my sister go through the process recently and really felt for her. She did everything right but asked the breeder what the price was on her third email and all contact ceased. Just...nothing. It was so rude and uncalled for. Either way she got in contact with another DOL breeder and got the lovely Pippa who is loved and wants for nothing. My sister wanted to do everything right having never owned a pure bred before. Couldnt ask for a better pet home.

[~Anne~]

I don't think I've ever purchased a puppy that didn't spend a fair whack of hours by itself. I haven't had a puppy for a long while though. Boof was my last and he is now 11.

Boof spent anywhere from 6-12 hours alone on a very regular basis until we began to foster rescues when he was around 6 months old. He is a very well balanced dog. I've never experienced any problems with him. Partly I guess this is because of his breed and his temperament.

I agree that this was not ideal and recognise that it could have resulted in issues. I think I'm knowledgable enough to know how to manage such a situation however. Life is rarely ideal. I worked right through bringing up my children too and managed this just as successfully. :)

I have no plans to have a puppy again. I prefer older dogs as I feel they are less work and more suitable to my family and life. In having said that, if I did ever get another dog, puppy or otherwise, there will be a time when it would be home alone for up 12 hours a day.

I re-homed my rescues based on many factors. There were no black and white rules. Each home and each dog were assessed on their own merits. I know of rescues and breeders who see only black or white on different issues and I think it is shortsighted. Most though seem to recognise that a balanced perspective is the wisest view.

[Fevah]

True, but it goes both ways. If you make a sweeping negative generalisation then go on to add qualifiers about what you actually meant then make other sweeping negative generalisations you can't really cry foul when other people respond negatively to you.

There's negative and then there is rude, derogatory and so on. Simply Grand when you start a thread on something I doubt that you would find the type of response that Jed received acceptable.

There's no need and no excuse for being obnoxious simply because you disagree with someone, argue your point sure, but don't do it in a way that belittles someone else with a different viewpoint.

It's a wonder anyone posts anything these days. DOL has changed significantly in tone since I joined and not for the better.

This is the most sensible thing that has been said all thread.

I am honestly shocked and appalled by the animosity and self-righteousness evident in this thread, not to mention the deliberate misunderstanding of the OP.

I'm trying to remember whether it was this toxic a couple of years ago when I was a regular poster...nope...not even close.

I feel sick to my stomach, actually sick to my stomach, by all this bullying. On an adult forum. Where I assumed we were all adults.

[~Anne~]

Personally, I think you and Dogmad have got it round the wrong way. I think DOL is a hell of a lot calmer these days. The dust ups of days gone by were memorable! I think I'm still carrying some scars. :D

Edited January 21, 2014 by ~Anne~