Puppy Buyers

[raz]

What a load of cow dung. I work 24/7. My poor dogs. So glad I bought from breeders who didnt have a rod up their bum.

It's your fault your Pug is nuts , you weren't home enough to mummy it :laugh:

I think you are both to blame. and I think you both know why!! :laugh: :laugh:

Why is that? My dog from Wreckit is a delightful little dog.

You work full time dont you Jed? How is it you can work full time yet decide a puppy buyer who does shouldnt have a dog?

[Angeluca]

I think that there has been a heck of a lot of vehemence directed at Jed in the responses here by quite a few people.

We all could have explained ourselves and our stance on the topic without making our posts look like personal attacks on Jed's character, yes?

I apologise if any of my responses have offended you Jed - you will always have my respect, even if I don't necessarily agree with you on this particular topic, OK?

In the end, Jed knows what her pups will require to be raised as happy and healthy and socially acceptable pets - and maybe we should just agree to disagree... at least we know what Jed expects from her puppy buyers in case we get the urge to apply for one... *grin*

T.

Maybe Jed shouldn't have said that we who disagree are 'special kind of people', nor with the topic subject, Jed doesn't seem too concerned about offending people?

Jed may very well breed and raise great dogs and may very well be experienced, but also seems very narrow minded about this subject and doesn't seem to backwards about expressing a dislike to being explained how people have managed fine.

[Dogsfevr]

Best read i have had all year but are you serious

I gather you sit home 24/7 never leaving your dogs

[WreckitWhippet]

Actually Wreckit - perhaps my abandonment of him as a puppy was the reason he needed to pogo stick outside your kitchen window...

Obviously a psychological issue festering there.

nahh he's not special, there's a Poin'n outside doing it now and neither of his parents worked full time when he was a youngster :laugh:

[Bjelkier]

Some of the best homes my puppies went too worked full time. I worked full time with my first dog and he turned out just fine.

I resent being told I'm cruel to my babies. If you don't want to sell to full time working homes that's fine but don't make sweeping statements about those of us who do our best for our puppies and have to work so we can give them the best life possible.

[Katdogs]

If it means we skip ahead in the queue for a Boxer from Jed one day in the future, then I'm happy to admit we got Jodie as a companion for Stevie because it was the best thing for both of them as we work full time. Everyone here raising good pups who are left alone all day are doing their best and are aware of how to enrich their puppy's life. I think Jed must be talking to the average puppy buyer (it is Christmas) who wouldn't know about puppy socialisation and development.

Having Stevie home alone from six weeks old until nine months has taught me not to do that again.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Katdogs

[kayla1]

I work full-time and wasn't offended. I must have read the first post differently to others because I assumed the OP was referring to long hours alone as an only dog (puppy) rather than full-time workers who have other dogs or have made provisions.

I'm lucky I can do some work from home, and I have other dogs of course - very unlikely I will ever have just one dog again. But if I was working long hours away from home everyday and had no other dogs then I wouldn't get a young puppy.

[Trisven13]

I have sold pups to homes where people worked full-time because that particular pup could cope with the home offered. I have just knocked back a home for an adult Fauve to a home where the people worked full-time because he wouldn't cope with being an only dog in a home where people are away for that long BECAUSE I work from home and have a multi-dog household and that is what he is accustomed to. Its a real bugger because it was, in all other ways a truly fabulous home for a great little dog. With my breed I actually think they can become too dependent on having people around all the time and do much, much better learning to be alone for larger periods of time than ever happens in my home.

Jed - make your own decisions but don't criticise others for doing the right thing by their dogs, their breed, their households etc differently to you.

[indigirl]

I won't place a baby pup into a home as an only dog where everyone works full time either. My pups my choice. I believe it's an unsuitable environment for a baby iggy pup.

Oh course if they have something in place like a relative who will mind the pup while they are at work, then I'm open to discussing it.

Edited December 31, 2013 by indigirl

[Dame Aussie]

I think that there has been a heck of a lot of vehemence directed at Jed in the responses here by quite a few people.

We all could have explained ourselves and our stance on the topic without making our posts look like personal attacks on Jed's character, yes?

I apologise if any of my responses have offended you Jed - you will always have my respect, even if I don't necessarily agree with you on this particular topic, OK?

In the end, Jed knows what her pups will require to be raised as happy and healthy and socially acceptable pets - and maybe we should just agree to disagree... at least we know what Jed expects from her puppy buyers in case we get the urge to apply for one... *grin*

T.

Jed can sell her puppies to whoever she likes. However I think she was the one who was on the attack, no?

She has stated that people here think its ok to neglect puppies and that everyone who works full time must be a terrible owner. Sorry, but THAT is an attack.

[Bullbreedlover]

Amazing how many people on a dog forum think it is ok to leave a baby puppy alone all day by itself.

How caring. Says some special things about a lot of you, doesn 't it? Some very special things!!

I don't and wont place baby puppies in a home where no one is home during the day for 8 to 10 hours. Its my choice and if people don't like it then tough for them. I don't have to sell them a pup.

Judging by a lot(pretty much all) of the replies people cant seem to understand what the big deal is and you all seem to think that leaving a puppy by itself for 10 hours will not affect its socialisation, training or upbringing.

That is your opinion.

Different circumstances and scenarios have been given and that's all well and good if people can work around the time but I wont leave a puppy home for that length of time. I don't think it is in the best interests of the puppy who is at a critical time of learning and socialising.

Yes Jed, it does say some special things.

[YvonneM]

What a load of crap!!! I - like all of the other contributors to this thread - work full time and have done since we bought our puppy home at 8 weeks. He is now 10 months and is a happy, well adjusted little boy with no issues that cause me any concern. He gets regular walks either before I go to work or when I get home and we go to training at our local kennel club once a week. We also have doggy friends we catch up with regularly and we take him visiting and on outings where possible.

Plenty of my friends work full time and have successfully raised their puppies from 8 weeks!!!

What on earth makes you think someone working full time can't raise a puppy successfully??????

How many dogs have you had in your lifetime YvonneM?

How many have you raised to adulthood?

How many have you raised to adulthood since you worked full time?

How much time to you spend on walks with your dog?

Why did you think you would make a good dog owner?

I haven't read this whole thread through after this but being 5 pages there must be a lot of discussion in a short time!!

I've never needed to justify how I have raised my pets and account for how many hours a day I spend away from home, but to answer your questions I will.

I have had 4 dogs in my lifetime - my first was a rescue my parents adopted from the RSPCA way back in the 1970s. PTS in old age. My second was a stray puppy vet said about 6-7 weeks when he came to live with us. Perfectly happy and behaved and an integral part of my family for 14 wonderful years - large breed (briard) and therefore geriatric. PTS in old age when his body didn't work as well any more. Then another rescue aged 9 months who lived to almost 12 years and was PTS in February this year after deterioration in a heart condition (I'd never have even able to afford his heart medication if I didn't work!!) and now our Maltese puppy who is 10 months.

I have been married for 26 years and have no children - our pets are the centre of our universe. I have raised 2 dogs to adulthood since I have been married. I spend plenty of time walking my dog - we do a little training and then he gets a 10 metre lead and we go for a walk where he has a bit more freedom on that long leash.

Why did I think I would make a good pet owner?? Why wouldn't I ??? Just because I work full time doesn't make me a bad one. In fact, the pure nature of my work makes me realise how good an owner I really am!! I give my pets everything they need - love, affection, I fulfill their physical needs and I look after their medical needs, I ensure they have a good diet and are exercised regularly and they have somewhere warm and safe. My dogs have access to indoors/outdoors 24/7 as they please.

I subscribe to the idea that you begin as you intend to continue - and sure I am better informed with my current puppy that I might have been previously. My puppy has been alone for about 5-6 hours during the day from about 10 weeks. Perfectly happy.

Here's the flip side - my puppy's brother has gone to work with his owners since day 1 every single day. They thought it would be the best thing for him to be able to spend as much time as possible with them as a little puppy. Now he suffers terrible separation anxiety and can't stand to be left alone. How does that make a happy dog??? He might be happy when he is with the. But is thoroughly miserable with he is alone.

[Simply Grand]

Breeders who won't place a puppy in a home where they are home alone 8-10 hours, at what age would you feel comfortable with them being left for that length of time?

(Just curious, no vested interest, as I haven't had a baby puppy home alone all day, although my first one had cats for company rather than other dogs when he was a baby).

ETA - oh and I certainly won't be having an only puppy any time soon, if ever again!

Edited December 31, 2013 by Simply Grand

[Salukifan]

I don't and wont place baby puppies in a home where no one is home during the day for 8 to 10 hours. Its my choice and if people don't like it then tough for them. I don't have to sell them a pup.

Judging by a lot(pretty much all) of the replies people cant seem to understand what the big deal is and you all seem to think that leaving a puppy by itself for 10 hours will not affect its socialisation, training or upbringing.

That is your opinion.

Different circumstances and scenarios have been given and that's all well and good if people can work around the time but I wont leave a puppy home for that length of time. I don't think it is in the best interests of the puppy who is at a critical time of learning and socialising.

Yes Jed, it does say some special things.

Do we?

Or once again, are you falling into assumptions about people who work full time? Because that way lies danger.

I can tell you right now that the presence of a person at home during the day who makes no effort to socialise or train a pup (and they are legion) is just as damaging to the pup as an empty home. Fat lot of good it does the pup if it's never let inside the house.

Any sweeping generalisation is fraught with danger. I'd no more assume that a person who didn't work would make a great home than I'd assume a person who did work wouldn't.

Personally, I'm bloody glad I work full time. God knows how I'd pay the $4,000 in vet bills my dogs cost me last month otherwise.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Haredown Whippets

[Bullbreedlover]

I don't and wont place baby puppies in a home where no one is home during the day for 8 to 10 hours. Its my choice and if people don't like it then tough for them. I don't have to sell them a pup.

Judging by a lot(pretty much all) of the replies people cant seem to understand what the big deal is and you all seem to think that leaving a puppy by itself for 10 hours will not affect its socialisation, training or upbringing.

That is your opinion.

Different circumstances and scenarios have been given and that's all well and good if people can work around the time but I wont leave a puppy home for that length of time. I don't think it is in the best interests of the puppy who is at a critical time of learning and socialising.

Yes Jed, it does say some special things.

Do we?

Or once again, are you falling into assumptions about people who work full time? Because that way lies danger.

I can tell you right now that the presence of a person at home during the day who makes no effort to socialise or train a pup (and they are legion) is just as damaging to the pup as an empty home. Fat lot of good it does the pup if it's never let inside the house.

Any sweeping generalisation is fraught with danger. I'd no more assume that a person who didn't work would make a great home than I'd assume a person who did work wouldn't.

Personally, I'm bloody glad I work full time. God knows how I'd pay the $4,000 in vet bills my dogs cost me last month otherwise.

So if this person goes to no effort whatsoever then technically the pup is left at home by itself. I cant see the reason behind telling me what you did.

I work full time. My husband works full time(although at the moment he has been unwell for many weeks, but we both work different shifts so there is only a time of around 3 hours when no one is home. We choose to do this because we have pets and consider them a huge responsibility in our lives. Even older dogs I have rehomed have always been placed where the owners do not both work full time.

Why do I think this way?

Well I happen to give a damn where my puppies and rehomes go to and how they are brought up. Is that a bad thing? Seems like giving a damn is not the right thing to do on here.

No one situation is going to be exactly like another, but making sure my babies who I have raised with care, go to great homes is top priority.

No one breed is going to be exactly like another and my breed is a very family orientated dog who loves human company. I don't just chuck my dogs out in the back yard and let them fend for themselves all day in extreme weather and then call myself a caring owner. I am sure many people do though.

Everyone is up in arms at being accused of being a bad owner and neglecting their dogs because they work full time, yet these same people have no problem condemning a breeder because they wont place a dog with owners who work full time. Damned if you are a breeder with different ethics than others who just sell puppies.

Let me give a scenario or two.

You have a dog which has bloated during the day. This dog may of started to bloat shortly after you left for work at 7.30 in the morning. You don't get home until 5.30 at night. By then the dog is dead.

Your dog is left out during the day and gets bitten by a snake. Same thing. Off to work. 10 hours later the dog is dead.

Had no chance whatsoever to receive vet attention simply because no one was home during the 10 hours it was alone. I have two breeds with which this can occur. Therefore I choose to work different shifts.

I know these are only scenarios and they may or may not happen but I love my dogs too much to not treat them as part of my family. Others see differently.

Therefore "I" choose not to sell my puppies to families where no one is home for the whole day.

[Salukifan]

I work full time. My husband works full time(although at the moment he has been unwell for many weeks, but we both work different shifts so there is only a time of around 3 hours when no one is home. We choose to do this because we have pets and consider them a huge responsibility in our lives. Even older dogs I have rehomed have always been placed where the owners do not both work full time.

Why do I think this way?

Well I happen to give a damn where my puppies and rehomes go to and how they are brought up. Is that a bad thing? Seems like giving a damn is not the right thing to do on here.

No one situation is going to be exactly like another, but making sure my babies who I have raised with care, go to great homes is top priority.

No one breed is going to be exactly like another and my breed is a very family orientated dog who loves human company. I don't just chuck my dogs out in the back yard and let them fend for themselves all day in extreme weather and then call myself a caring owner. I am sure many people do though.

Everyone is up in arms at being accused of being a bad owner and neglecting their dogs because they work full time, yet these same people have no problem condemning a breeder because they wont place a dog with owners who work full time. Damned if you are a breeder with different ethics than others who just sell puppies.

Let me give a scenario or two.

You have a dog which has bloated during the day. This dog may of started to bloat shortly after you left for work at 7.30 in the morning. You don't get home until 5.30 at night. By then the dog is dead.

Your dog is left out during the day and gets bitten by a snake. Same thing. Off to work. 10 hours later the dog is dead.

Had no chance whatsoever to receive vet attention simply because no one was home during the 10 hours it was alone. I have two breeds with which this can occur. Therefore I choose to work different shifts.

I know these are only scenarios and they may or may not happen but I love my dogs too much to not treat them as part of my family. Others see differently.

Therefore "I" choose not to sell my puppies to families where no one is home for the whole day.

As I said in response to Jed, you breed them, your choice as to where they are homed.

I'm guessing you also don't home to anyone who sleeps their dogs outside at night?

Or anyone who ever leaves their dogs unattended during a day's outing?

[Cosmolo]

I have had shit happen to a dog who had been left alone for 45 minutes.. Bad things can happen to anyone.

I know a number of dogs who have one or both adults of the home at home full time. These dogs NEVER leave their yard. Some NEVER come inside. I know dogs owned by full time workers that have amazing lives. That's the problem with generalisations. Case by case basis for me but of course breeders are entitled to do whatever they feel is best with the dogs they home.

[Simply Grand]

I have had shit happen to a dog who had been left alone for 45 minutes.. Bad things can happen to anyone.

I know a number of dogs who have one or both adults of the home at home full time. These dogs NEVER leave their yard. Some NEVER come inside. I know dogs owned by full time workers that have amazing lives. That's the problem with generalisations. Case by case basis for me but of course breeders are entitled to do whatever they feel is best with the dogs they home.

+ 1 to everything Cos.

And HW!

Edited December 31, 2013 by Simply Grand

[Dame Aussie]

I have had shit happen to a dog who had been left alone for 45 minutes.. Bad things can happen to anyone.

I know a number of dogs who have one or both adults of the home at home full time. These dogs NEVER leave their yard. Some NEVER come inside. I know dogs owned by full time workers that have amazing lives. That's the problem with generalisations. Case by case basis for me but of course breeders are entitled to do whatever they feel is best with the dogs they home.

+ 1 to everything Cos.

And HW!

Yes, well said.

[huski]

why do people assume the more time you have = the better trained and socialized your dog is?

Most average pet owners make mistakes raising, socialising and training their dogs. some mistakes are small and some mistakes end with the dog being PTS or dumped. Luckily a lot of pet owners seek professional help to fix the problems they (generally inadvertently) created. More time does not equal a better trained or socialized dog. Knowledge and experience are what raises great dogs.

I work full time and handle an extremely high drive working dog. It is simply not possible for me to spend all day with her. We know this is the case when we raise our pups and build good off switches in them so they chill out until we can work them. You could be home all day but without quality interactions with your dog it means nothing.

Edited December 31, 2013 by huski