goldenluv Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Hi just found out about this food, my boy has to have grain free. has anyone used it & what do you think of it? Next Generation pet foods http://nextgenerationpetfoods.com.au/dry-food-for-dogs/ Holistic Dog GRAINFREE 20 kg Ingredients: Meat ( Poultry Meal & Meat, Duck & Meat meals ) Vegetables and vegetable meals (including Potato, Peas, Carrots, Pumpkin ) Potato & Tapioca starch, Tallows and oils ( Poultry & Vegetable ) Beet pulp, Chicken digest, Oilseeds, (Canola & Linseed ) Egg powder, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins ( A, D, E, B1, B5, B6 Niacin, Riboflavin, Folic acid, B12 ) and minerals ( Calcium, Phosphorous, Iron, Zinc, Copper, Manganese, Iodine, Selenium ) Kelp Meal, Choline Chloride, Soy Lecithin powder, Dried Chicory Root, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Garlic powder, Tomato powder, Potassium sorbate, Natural antioxidants. Typical Analysis ; Crude Protein 26%, Crude Fat 14%, Crude Fibre 5%, Salt 1.2% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Can they really call it "grain free" if it has vegetable oils, canola & linseed oils & soy. I thought these were all derived from grains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) I Don't use it .. my cats a get grain free kibble ... but if you have a bit of time ..and your dog needs a health boost , have you thought about feeding a RAW diet which you can easily put together at home? Edited November 14, 2013 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 No I haven't used it but it reminds me of the VIP list of ingredients - the meat list is a bit vague. I don't like beet pulp either. There are probably better grain free options around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 "chicken digest" sounds pretty odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Can they really call it "grain free" if it has vegetable oils, canola & linseed oils & soy. I thought these were all derived from grains These are not grains, they are seeds. Grains come from grass type plants, seeds come from dicots(herbaceous/shrubby type plants) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenluv Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 thank you all for the responses, I am still trying to learn about dog foods and what to look for your help and opinions are appreciated :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 "chicken digest" sounds pretty odd Digest is a poor source of protein (compared to other options). AAFCO definition of it is Material which results from chemical and/or enzymatic hydrolysis of clean and un-decomposed animal tissue. The animal tissues used shall be exclusive of hair, horns, teeth, hooves and feathers, except in such trace amounts as might occur unavoidably in good factory practice and shall be suitable for animal feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 "chicken digest" sounds pretty odd Digest is a poor source of protein (compared to other options). AAFCO definition of it is Material which results from chemical and/or enzymatic hydrolysis of clean and un-decomposed animal tissue. The animal tissues used shall be exclusive of hair, horns, teeth, hooves and feathers, except in such trace amounts as might occur unavoidably in good factory practice and shall be suitable for animal feed. Yep, I googled and saw that, sounds appetising Combined with the fact they don't even tell you what meat is in it (generic poultry as the main ingredient), I'd be looking for something better quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Manufacturers will use a generic meat name to capture the fact that they may have variations in supply from time to time and its not possible to reprint packaging. It is not necessarily a bad thing to use a generic term bit it does indicate that they might not have committed supply of raw ingredients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) After the major finding that dogs have increased genetic capability to digest starch, as opposed to wolves, I don't see what the big deal is about being grain free. Furthermore, the devotees of the paleo diet (for humans) regard potatoes and other starchy tubers as being just as bad as grains . . . so what's so good about ditching rice and putting in sweet potatoes or whatever. I've know plenty of dogs that reached a healthy old age eating supermarket-brand dry food that contained a lot of corn. I use something a bit higher grade cause it keeps their coats nicer and I don't like to skimp on my much-loved dogs. But grain free seems like just one more fad, and an opportunity to pay an extra $20 for a big bag. Edited November 17, 2013 by sandgrubber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) After the major finding that dogs have increased genetic capability to digest starch, as opposed to wolves, I don't see what the big deal is about being grain free. Furthermore, the devotees of the paleo diet (for humans) regard potatoes and other starchy tubers as being just as bad as grains . . . so what's so good about ditching rice and putting in sweet potatoes or whatever. I've know plenty of dogs that reached a healthy old age eating supermarket-brand dry food that contained a lot of corn. I use something a bit higher grade cause it keeps their coats nicer and I don't like to skimp on my much-loved dogs. But grain free seems like just one more fad, and an opportunity to pay an extra $20 for a big bag. Me neither. Unless your dog has allergies, what's the difference between grain as a filler and starchy vegetables or beet pulp as fillers? Kind of echoes the gluten free fad for humans at the moment. Edited November 17, 2013 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 After the major finding that dogs have increased genetic capability to digest starch, as opposed to wolves, I don't see what the big deal is about being grain free. Furthermore, the devotees of the paleo diet (for humans) regard potatoes and other starchy tubers as being just as bad as grains . . . so what's so good about ditching rice and putting in sweet potatoes or whatever. I've know plenty of dogs that reached a healthy old age eating supermarket-brand dry food that contained a lot of corn. I use something a bit higher grade cause it keeps their coats nicer and I don't like to skimp on my much-loved dogs. But grain free seems like just one more fad, and an opportunity to pay an extra $20 for a big bag. Me neither. Unless your dog has allergies, what's the difference between grain as a filler and starchy vegetables or beet pulp as fillers? Kind of echoes the gluten free fad for humans at the moment. I don't like beet pulp because I have noted a marked increase in tear staining with any product containing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiemum Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I'd feed human grade raw - its much simpler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Same here. All human grade here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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