keasarge Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 a friend asked me to take their dog to our local beach since I was taking my two anyway I said sure I have a spare seatbelt that should fit him and they said oh we never worry about those thing :0 never mind his a big dog (28kilos) and I have other dogs in the car what if he cause an accident? what if I had an accident and he went through the window??? plus its illegal to travel with an unsercured dog anyway it made me wonder how other dolers sercured their dogs in the car? my pup church is in the crate and our old boy is seatbelt attachment with harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 a friend asked me to take their dog to our local beach since I was taking my two anyway I said sure I have a spare seatbelt that should fit him and they said oh we never worry about those thing :0 never mind his a big dog (28kilos) and I have other dogs in the car what if he cause an accident? what if I had an accident and he went through the window??? plus its illegal to travel with an unsercured dog anyway it made me wonder how other dolers sercured their dogs in the car? my pup church is in the crate and our old boy is seatbelt attachment with harness. Dangerous, but not illegal. Mine are harnessed in with seatbelt attachments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I have a Subaru so put mine in the back area then secure their leads in the door when I close it then tie a not in the lead so it doesn't slip back into the car. Also have a cage divider for the back of the car but haven't put it back in for yonks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cali Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Gem and Gyp ride in a crate in the van(only because they are hyper when excited), everyone else is just loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keasarge Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 http://www.dogslife.com.au/dog-news/dog-health/dog-safety-in-cars actually it is against the law The ACT Dogs are required to be restrained on the back of a moving vehicle under the Animal Welfare Act 1992, said Lee-Anne Wahren, Policy Officer within Environment Planning and Legislation, who is responsible for reviewing all animal welfare policy in the ACT Government. Victoria The Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1986 requires dogs to be restrained on moving vehicles, said Dr Stephen Tate, Director of Bureau of Animal Welfare within the Vic Department of Primary Industries. The maximum fine for breaching the law is $500 Queensland Having an unrestrained dog on a moving vehicle could breach both the Transport Operations (Road Use Management — Road Rules) Regulation 1999 and the Animal Care and Protection Act 2001. The Transport Operations Regulation, administered by the Department of Transport, states it is an offence to have an unsecured load on the back of a vehicle and that applies to dogs, said Dr Rick Symons, Manager of the Animal Welfare Unit within the Qld Department of Primary Industries and Fisheries. The Animal Care and Protection Act does not specifically mention dogs restrained on vehicles, but it places a duty of care on owners of animals to ensure the welfare needs of animals are met. “It is an offence under the Act for a person in charge of an animal to breach this duty of care by transporting the animal in a way that is inappropriate for the animal’s welfare,” he said. A breach of duty of care can result in a fine of $22,500 (and up to five times this amount for a corporation) or one year’s imprisonment. Northern Territory The Animal Welfare Act 1999 states, “A person transporting an animal must do so in a manner that does not unreasonably or unnecessarily inflict suffering on the animal.” Peter Brice, the Animal Welfare Advisory Committee Executive Officer for NT, said the Act replaced the old Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act and is primarily enforced by the RSPCA. Breaking the law will incur an on-the-spot fine of $100. NSW The Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 requires a dog to be restrained on the back of a moving vehicle or enclosed in such a way as to prevent the dog falling from the vehicle. The maximum penalty is $5500 or six months in jail, according to Dr Ian Lugton, Senior Veterinary Officer within the Animal Welfare Unit of the NSW Department of Primary Industries. Dr Lugton said by March he expects officers to have authorisation to track down offenders involved in motor vehicle offences by following up on the vehicle’s registration details. South Australia Transporting unrestrained dogs is against the law as provided in the Dog and Cat Management Act 1995. The Act was amended in 2004 to include the legislation Tasmania The Dog Control Act 2000 states, “The owner or person in charge of a dog must restrict the dog sufficiently while it is in or on a vehicle so that it is unable to leave the vehicle or attack any person or animal outside the vehicle.” RSPCA Tasmania Chief Inspector Graeme Lewis said only police officers could enforce the law. Breaking the law has a maximum fine of $500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keasarge Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-get-hot-over-the-collar-20091024-he0j.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hankodie Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I also use car seatbelts for my 2 and they sit in the backseat. Though Hank is getting pretty big for my little golf so I might have to fold the seats down soon. This post reminded me of my neighbour who is absolutely shocking with her dog in the car, she doesn't secure it at all and it's an absolute nightmare from the moment it hops in. I went with them in the car once to the beach, the dog was so excited to be getting out and about she climbed all over everyone (including the driver) and was crying and wailing and pawing at everything. Not to mention she was 20+ kilos. It was absolutely terrifying, an accident waiting to happen IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) Yes, ON the back of a moving vehicle (ie: tray of ute), not IN the vehicle. Note the sydney morning herald is not a legal document, I suggest you refer to something like http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/s297.html or https://www.lawsociety.com.au/cs/groups/public/documents/internetyounglawyers/420246.pdf if you want to quote laws regarding dogs in cars ;) And I'm referring to NSW when I say it's not illegal, it may very by state. Edited November 11, 2013 by minimax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 We have a chair so they can see with straps that secure the harness to the seatbelt. Also are in the backseat in case of accident: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keasarge Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 its not just on utes though I know someone who received a fine dog was in a sedan family car on back seat calmly looking out window, she was pulled over for rbt and they fined her for not securing her dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Then they were wrong. Or, she had the dog in her lap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 its not just on utes though I know someone who received a fine dog was in a sedan family car on back seat calmly looking out window, she was pulled over for rbt and they fined her for not securing her dog It's still not illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I know an old lady who was fined for having unsecured shopping on her backseat. For real! Some cops need to up their fine records or something and take advantage of unknowing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 People should contest tickets like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 People should contest tickets like that. I believe she did. I'm not sure what happened but I know that officer moved out of town shortly after as everyone hated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 People should contest tickets like that. And research beyond the sydney morning herald when regurgitating such "facts"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 its not just on utes though I know someone who received a fine dog was in a sedan family car on back seat calmly looking out window, she was pulled over for rbt and they fined her for not securing her dog It's still not illegal. Yep. The fine is for a dog interfering with the driver - so if the dog is jumping all over the driver, sitting on their lap or the cop spots you turning around to do something with the dog then you could get a fine. You can't be fined if the dog is sitting calmly on the back seat and you aren't doing anything with it while driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Only found out this year that we can get fines for unrestrained dogs here in SA. Awful IMO & another revenue raiser. Yes the police should have & do have the right to pull people over if they have dogs in the car that are being idiots or making the driver a danger to others. Unrestrained dogs on the back of open utes as an example but my dogs are all trained to sit & behave on the back seat. They love looking out of the window with it open a tiny bit at the top & there are never more than 2 dogs at one time. Going for a ride was a pleasure. Now they are stuck in a crate feeling trapped. Harnessing or seatbelt type thing I would not trust as if they wriggle or get themselves in an awkward position with it driving on my own that may be a bigger risk to them than having them loose. As dogs being flung through windscreens, injured in accidents or causing crashes is a very minor percent of road problems & for years dogs did survive & were car trained its just more money for little crime & people not training their dogs & being idiots. Penalties of $5000 to $22500 as quoted by keasarge above are ridiculous. Drunk drivers who injure people don't get fined that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I usually restrain my dogs in a crate in the back seat or they both go in the boot (hatchback) when we are going on trips of only a few minutes duration, like to the beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cali Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I know a few people who have always secured their dogs via either crate or harness and the dog has escaped the restraint while the person was driving...but because the dog has ALWAYS been restrained it has no clue how to behave when unrestrained and starts bouncing all over, jumping in the drivers lap, and jumping in the drivers face. that sounds a whole heck of a lot more dangerous then just training your dog to sit in the back lol even Gem and Gyp who I crate are actually great travelers, they just get crazy when you first get in the vehicle, the crate is an "annoying prevention" more then a safety thing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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