mixeduppup Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Has anyone questioned the rescue? Before deciding on an opinion, I'd like to know something about the dog's history. If there was temperament screening, it would be good to know how it failed. Taking a sleeping baby out of bed when it is sleeping with its mother is unusual behavior for any dog. A dog with high prey drive and a small child twitching and/or making noises in her sleep could have been a recipe for disaster. Of course that is pure conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 The police have confirmed it's not the dog in the picture. The child was asleep in the bed with her Mother when the dog came in and attacked. Few things on there that I can't follow? Poor little girl R.I.P. I didn't see that, thanks pebbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I'm not saying he is Aussie but how much do you know of his background? Do you know for sure he's never shown aggression, do you know for sure he's been well socialised around small children? I have a child and three large rescue dogs. One is the size of a Dane, with the bulk of a Pyrenean Mountain Dog. It can be done but you do need to go by trust being earned over a longish period of time, not automatically granted. It also helps that all three dogs were adopted from Maremma Rescue and I have trust in her temp assessments. There is no way I would bring a large rescue dog in from someone/somewhere I didn't know with a young child in the house. That poor poor mother, it is just beyond comprehension. I commend her bravery for killing the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) A picture of the dog that apparently killed the girl has been released, it seems to be some kind of bulldog cross http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-11-05/girl-dies-after-dog-bite/ Edited November 8, 2013 by BlackJaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Every article I've read (except for that one) in the aftermath of this has said that the police are currently investigating the dog's breed and doing DNA tests etc... it boggles the mind. WHO CARES?! It has NO bearing on the incident!! Investigate the history of the dog (that you can find out!) Investigate what testing the rescue did prior to rehoming Investigate how the child and dog had interacted in the two months prior Investigate the health and reproductive status of the dog Investigate the way the dog was kept Investigate what happened immediately preceding the attack There are so many RELEVANT things to look in to. It drives me insane. How will they ever figure out how to prevent this happening again if they don't ask the relevant questions?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 They would be testing for evidence of the dog's breed to ascertain if it is on the banned list I would imagine for legal reasons. Of course nobody asks any of those other questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 They would be testing for evidence of the dog's breed to ascertain if it is on the banned list I would imagine for legal reasons. Of course nobody asks any of those other questions. My guess is they are comparing the dog's DNA with swabs taken from the child's wounds. Doesn't sound to me like they are sure they've got the right dog OR that a dog was involved at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintin Jac Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 My guess is they are comparing the dog's DNA with swabs taken from the child's wounds. Doesn't sound to me like they are sure they've got the right dog OR that a dog was involved at all. Oh I hadn't thought of that. (The bolded bits were bolded by me, not HW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) Has anyone questioned the rescue? Before deciding on an opinion, I'd like to know something about the dog's history. If there was temperament screening, it would be good to know how it failed. Taking a sleeping baby out of bed when it is sleeping with its mother is unusual behavior for any dog. The article says she got it "from a pound". sounds like she called it "a rescue" but it was not actually from a reputable rescue... The boarding kennel mentioned in one article is linking back to a dog rescue. Seems like it is running on the same kenneling premises: operating firstly as the contract to impound for Leicester after which the animals are rehomed by the rescue if unclaimed. Website is down. Won't post it here, although local people posting on forums seemed to have worked it out or knew of the place. Dog was impounded in August as a stray. Edited November 8, 2013 by Powerlegs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 My guess is they are comparing the dog's DNA with swabs taken from the child's wounds. Doesn't sound to me like they are sure they've got the right dog OR that a dog was involved at all. Oh I hadn't thought of that. (The bolded bits were bolded by me, not HW) I haven't seen anything that suggested this, but it's quite possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe001 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 But didn't the mother try to get the girl from the dogs mouth and stab it to death. Doesn't sound like she could have confused which dog attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Pepe I think they mean, forensic proof a that only that dog was involved. Grim, but better that it's done to rule out other scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 They would be testing for evidence of the dog's breed to ascertain if it is on the banned list I would imagine for legal reasons. Of course nobody asks any of those other questions. My guess is they are comparing the dog's DNA with swabs taken from the child's wounds. Doesn't sound to me like they are sure they've got the right dog OR that a dog was involved at all. The article I read was quite clear that the DNA rest was related to the dog's breed, however that could be the papers getting it wrong of course. Wouldn't be the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannibalgoldfish Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Off the tragic topic but... “Jodi used to try and walk the dog on a lead, but it would struggle and pulled her over a few times." Why would you adopt a dog you could not control? Even without having small children this seems like a seriously bad idea... Even if you found out it was too strong for you after you adopted it, why would you keep it???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal House Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Tragic. Conflicting reports, but they are saying it attacked her in the lounge room now. And that the dog had suffered abuse as it had scars all over it's body (according to a neighbour) Why would the kennel rehome to someone in a flat with a small child? Poor little girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Has anybody seen any new articles on this? All I saw was this: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/441983/Danger-dog-kisses-BBC-s-John-Kay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TessiesTracey Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2489252/Lexi-Hudsons-grans-fury-animal-charity-rehomed-bulldog-killed-girl.html No secret being made about the 'kennels' that placed the dog with the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The place sounds like a German "Tierheim" to me. They don't call it a pound, but it is. It is where strays and surrenders are kept until somebody comes along to buy them. they do not do temp testing and evaluations as we know them from reputable rescues here. I guess I could be wrong though, since I am not familiar with the UK system. Either way, I do not think the dog looks comfortable in the photo with the girl and I bet there were previous signs of trouble that were missed.. Tragic for this little girl and her family but unfortunately the impact of this on other dogs will be hard to predict and likely not good. R.I.P. little girl and R.I.P. dog, too. Who knows if we will ever learn exactly what caused this tragedy, since once again, the breed is the focus of this investigation, and not the dog's actual behavior and circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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