Angeluca Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 A lot of the general public that I talk to see the Australasian Bosdog as a true breed, but most don't know about the name change yet :) Same with other breeds not recognised by the ANKC for example the Koolie and Bull Arab. Most people (well rurally at least), will see and know what these dogs are. For some reason I feel like I'm missing another really obvious example... Most people think my Pedigreed Aussie shepherd is a Koolie cross Not sure how having danes or weims in them impacts the discussion, the many breeds in them hasn't been criticized, If there are people out there with 5 + generations which registry are they on if you know of them personally, I still intent on calling the 2 I know about for more information to be better educated. The problem with the bullarab is it is a known crossbreed publicly more so than any oodle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I do not know which register they are on, I know they are part of one. Perhaps it's the difference in states but most pig hunters I know (quite a lot) call their Bull Arab crosses exactly that, or just plain Pig Dogs. Just wondering but would you question anyone that had a Kelpie in the working register and called it Purebred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I'd personally love to see The 'Australian Bulldog' as a fully recognized breed name, not the other name which will happen in due time. I just don't like it. Bulldogs are meant to be national identities any way, British, French, Spanish etc. But Cao de Bou sounds cool enough for the Spanish one since it's Catalan for Bulldog anyhow. I love em, but I personally wouldn't call them Bosdogs. That might be what they are on paper, but all and sundry would hear me call them by the name featuring national pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I've actually been in contact with the people who originally bred my dog and the people who told me what her parents were were wrong. According to her breeders she is a bullarab and I have to say she fits the breed/type to a 'T'. As far as I'm concerned if a group of dogs are bred and bred to resemble a certain type and all progeny resemble that certain type over and over and then that certain group of dogs resembling that type are given a name then they are a breed, whether recognised or not. I'm not saying I support the breeding of these 'types/breeds' but just saying that if generation after generation look the same, act the same etc then it's fair to say they have become a certain breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 A lot of the general public that I talk to see the Australasian Bosdog as a true breed, but most don't know about the name change yet :) Same with other breeds not recognised by the ANKC for example the Koolie and Bull Arab. Most people (well rurally at least), will see and know what these dogs are. For some reason I feel like I'm missing another really obvious example... Most people think my Pedigreed Aussie shepherd is a Koolie cross Mini Foxy The Australian Cobberdog - and the reason we made them change their name was because keeping it as the Australian Labradoodle confused the public as first cross lab x poodles are still called this and those who breed them never want to do multi generations and never want to be involved in breed development - it legitimises cross breeding. Same with the Australasian Bosdog it immediately recognises it as a breed in development and not just a bunch of people doing first crosses and cashing in on "hybrids" it takes a while for the name changes to take and it's why there is usually a 3 year transition period as it comes around to being used to describe the breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkabull Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I'd personally love to see The 'Australian Bulldog' as a fully recognized breed name, not the other name which will happen in due time. I just don't like it. Bulldogs are meant to be national identities any way, British, French, Spanish etc. But Cao de Bou sounds cool enough for the Spanish one since it's Catalan for Bulldog anyhow. I love em, but I personally wouldn't call them Bosdogs. That might be what they are on paper, but all and sundry would hear me call them by the name featuring national pride. I still refer to them as Australian Bulldogs too but I also quickly explain the Bosdog name in case they do some google searching later on then they can see that there are different registries. Most people have no idea that there can be different types and groups so its a good way of showing them and explaining why its good to research not just breeds and breeders but also the groups/registries they belong to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 A lot of the general public that I talk to see the Australasian Bosdog as a true breed, but most don't know about the name change yet :) Same with other breeds not recognised by the ANKC for example the Koolie and Bull Arab. Most people (well rurally at least), will see and know what these dogs are. For some reason I feel like I'm missing another really obvious example... Most people think my Pedigreed Aussie shepherd is a Koolie cross Mini Foxy The Australian Cobberdog - and the reason we made them change their name was because keeping it as the Australian Labradoodle confused the public as first cross lab x poodles are still called this and those who breed them never want to do multi generations and never want to be involved in breed development - it legitimises cross breeding. Same with the Australasian Bosdog it immediately recognises it as a breed in development and not just a bunch of people doing first crosses and cashing in on "hybrids" it takes a while for the name changes to take and it's why there is usually a 3 year transition period as it comes around to being used to describe the breed. I think I remember someone on DOL previously talking about another one, Murray River Retriever I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 A lot of the general public that I talk to see the Australasian Bosdog as a true breed, but most don't know about the name change yet :) Same with other breeds not recognised by the ANKC for example the Koolie and Bull Arab. Most people (well rurally at least), will see and know what these dogs are. For some reason I feel like I'm missing another really obvious example... Most people think my Pedigreed Aussie shepherd is a Koolie cross Mini Foxy The Australian Cobberdog - and the reason we made them change their name was because keeping it as the Australian Labradoodle confused the public as first cross lab x poodles are still called this and those who breed them never want to do multi generations and never want to be involved in breed development - it legitimises cross breeding. Same with the Australasian Bosdog it immediately recognises it as a breed in development and not just a bunch of people doing first crosses and cashing in on "hybrids" it takes a while for the name changes to take and it's why there is usually a 3 year transition period as it comes around to being used to describe the breed. I think I remember someone on DOL previously talking about another one, Murray River Retriever I think? I met one yesterday! Beautiful dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Yep been around for ever too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Yep been around for ever too. Yep, and they have even had DNA studies done on them to determine that they are in fact a breed. They form a definite "cluster" (sorry, no idea of the correct terms fo the charts I have seen) that is quite separate to other gun dog breeds when comparing DNA, but as similar to each other within the breed group as other recognised breeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeluca Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 A lot of the general public that I talk to see the Australasian Bosdog as a true breed, but most don't know about the name change yet :) Same with other breeds not recognised by the ANKC for example the Koolie and Bull Arab. Most people (well rurally at least), will see and know what these dogs are. For some reason I feel like I'm missing another really obvious example... Most people think my Pedigreed Aussie shepherd is a Koolie cross Mini Foxy The Australian Cobberdog - and the reason we made them change their name was because keeping it as the Australian Labradoodle confused the public as first cross lab x poodles are still called this and those who breed them never want to do multi generations and never want to be involved in breed development - it legitimises cross breeding. Same with the Australasian Bosdog it immediately recognises it as a breed in development and not just a bunch of people doing first crosses and cashing in on "hybrids" it takes a while for the name changes to take and it's why there is usually a 3 year transition period as it comes around to being used to describe the breed. I think it's the best idea ever, to distance themselves from those who BYB those types, The bullarab I think is is the exact same boat as any oodle, few want to do it properly and most just want to make money or latch on to an ego of having a purebred with out generations recorded or health testing done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 The bull arab breeders have a registry of their own though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) So do the serious labradoodle/cobberdog breeders though, but they are no different in that regard to staffy breeders for example in that there are squillions of them around being backyard bred and only a limited number who are doing it properly. Edited October 26, 2013 by kelpiecuddles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 So do the serious labradoodle/cobberdog breeders though, but they are no different in that regard to staffy breeders for example in that there are squillions of them around being backyard bred and only a limited number who are doing it properly. Same goes for kelpies, labradors, goldens, jack russells, border collies, the list goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I think what it comes down to is whether the bull arab breeders are actually making efforts to develop a proper standard, it's all well and good to have a registry but if the 'type' of the dogs being registered is all over the place and there isn't a proper common goal other than working ability then they aren't going to make any progress towards gaining recognition through someone like the ANKC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I think what it comes down to is whether the bull arab breeders are actually making efforts to develop a proper standard, it's all well and good to have a registry but if the 'type' of the dogs being registered is all over the place and there isn't a proper common goal other than working ability then they aren't going to make any progress towards gaining recognition through someone like the ANKC This is the registry, you can contact them directly and ask but it looks as though they are, http://australianbullarab.com/Registration.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I've seen that page before but to be honest I'm not sure how active the breeder group is. The webpage was set up in 2007 and still read 'under construction' on the home page and their forum hasn't had any activity that I can see since late last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeluca Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) The bull arab breeders have a registry of their own though They have multiple, I have found 2 that one and http://www.bullarab.com.au/ which comes back to the question. How does someone determine a registry legitimate? And for example the 2 Bullarab registries both claim to want ANKC recognition. One DNA tests and the other doesn't and a few differences in standard and breeding policies. Obviously there are politics involved otherwise why would they not just be one as they both seem to want the same thing?. Which one is the proper one if any? What happens to the other one if one is accepted into the ANKC, ???? Edited October 26, 2013 by Angeluca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Which one is the proper one if any? I guess it would be the one that gets to the recognition finish line first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I guess if one is accepted the other will die out and if people are serious will re register their dogs with the new registry or not. Why are people so against new breeds, when done properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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