The Bears Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 He was not "sold", he was surrendered to ABR. Although normally we don't take surrenders we made a unanimous exception for little Polo, to ensure he did not fall into the wrong situation as he is defenceless. For anyone who is feeling sorry for him - don't. He doesn't! He can't miss what he never had, nor is it slowing him down. He is literally just like any other pup - including cheeky. For now he is settling in nicely - and adapting well - in his foster carer's home as we start finding him his forever. For those who said to put him down because he won't be easy to rehome, I actually feel quite sad if that's how you measure rescue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Just saw an ad for a puppy born with no eyes for sale in Brisbane, its a little samyoed x golden. Is this true that if the litter is big the first time the pups can be born with no eyes? Just thought if any rescue helps these kind of pups. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/riverhills/dogs-puppies/blind-samoyed-x-golden-retriever-puppy-for-sale/1029900246 Please delete if this is not allowed :) Without knowing the cause it is most likely caused by unsuitable breeding .... one recessive gene carried by both parents- the parents don'w have to be the same breed for this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 (edited) For those who said to put him down because he won't be easy to rehome, I actually feel quite sad if that's how you measure rescue. I wonder who you are aiming this comment at? On past experience with you, I'm sure it's me - you need to read my posts again - sorry if will disappoint you. I did not say he should be put to sleep. It is not the dog's fault that he's been born into this world but it is the fault of the people breeding the parents IF they continue in full knowledge that this could happen when they breed those two dogs. I did say he wouldn't be easy to rehome - nor should he. He is what is termed as "special needs" - homes that are able to cope with "special needs" dogs are not so easy to find. It can be very hard to retrain these dogs and to find a foster carer who is prepared to stick with them for the months it can take. I know as I rescue dogs with special needs and look after them myself - one that i'd nursed for several months was on Bondi Vet this year. Over the years I have taken many dogs that no one else will (sick, blind etc), the very worst in the pound and spent thousands on their bills and endless hours on their rehab - that's what I do. I've also fostered such dogs for great rescue groups as well. They would not be the same kind of dogs that you rescue - many have been smaller dogs - so in your view it probably doesn't count. There are far too many cowboy rescuers who determine their success by the amount of dogs in and out at high speed. I am most definitely not one of them and nor do I advocate euthanasia as the first thing to do unless the dog is suffering and yes - I have had to do that once, it broke my heart. I'd only had the dog for an hour but the vet's assessment (and the illness) was devastating and incurable. Edited October 18, 2013 by dogmad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 1382137288[/url]' post='6326146']1382132462[/url]' post='6326101']For those who said to put him down because he won't be easy to rehome, I actually feel quite sad if that's how you measure rescue. I wonder who you are aiming this comment at? On past experience with you, I'm sure it's me - you need to read my posts again - sorry if will disappoint you. I did not say he should be put to sleep. Others did so I think you'll find it's not aimed at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 1382137288[/url]' post='6326146']1382132462[/url]' post='6326101']For those who said to put him down because he won't be easy to rehome, I actually feel quite sad if that's how you measure rescue. I wonder who you are aiming this comment at? On past experience with you, I'm sure it's me - you need to read my posts again - sorry if will disappoint you. I did not say he should be put to sleep. Others did so I think you'll find it's not aimed at you thanks Cat. I think only one person said put to sleep - I don't blame anyone for saying that - this is a major disability and a bad mating that shouldn't have happened in the first place as the people are most likely crossbreeding for designer puppy sales. This is a public forum and everyone's entitled to their opinions and who knows, maybe those that advocate euthanasia have had some experience with disabled dogs and that's what they feel is best? I've personally been attacked on a number of occasions lately on this forum when people have chosen to either deliberately misinterpret what I've said or have their own agendas sometimes as well. I'm just not going to tolerate this thread turning into another attack on me when someone might be misinterpreting what I've said. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 What a great outcome. Glad to know he is safe :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9angel Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 So pleased to hear this little one is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Does he truly have no eyes, or does he have micro-orbits? If the latter, he may need drops (mainly saline or the like) to keep the sockets clean. Dogs born with a disability don't know any different - they are normal for them. Pups are especially resilient when it comes to disabilities. He has all of his other senses, so he shouldn't have insurmountable problems growing up happy and healthy. I've fostered a few disabled pups myself - they really don't act any different to their counterparts... and aren't really that much more difficult to find great forever homes for. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bears Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 For those who said to put him down because he won't be easy to rehome, I actually feel quite sad if that's how you measure rescue. I wonder who you are aiming this comment at? On past experience with you, I'm sure it's me - Once again, you'd be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bears Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Does he truly have no eyes, or does he have micro-orbits? If the latter, he may need drops (mainly saline or the like) to keep the sockets clean. Dogs born with a disability don't know any different - they are normal for them. Pups are especially resilient when it comes to disabilities. He has all of his other senses, so he shouldn't have insurmountable problems growing up happy and healthy. I've fostered a few disabled pups myself - they really don't act any different to their counterparts... and aren't really that much more difficult to find great forever homes for. T. We are getting that checked out by our own vet early next week, but to us laymen it looks like no eyes formed at all. His hearing and sense of smells works so well he is already adjusting admirably in an unfamiliar environment. He's running around like a loon, happily playing and being with everyone. Importantly, he manages to find your face to give you lots of special kisses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bears Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 For those who said to put him down because he won't be easy to rehome, I actually feel quite sad if that's how you measure rescue. I wonder who you are aiming this comment at? On past experience with you, I'm sure it's me - you need to read my posts again - sorry if will disappoint you. I did not say he should be put to sleep. It is not the dog's fault that he's been born into this world but it is the fault of the people breeding the parents IF they continue in full knowledge that this could happen when they breed those two dogs. I did say he wouldn't be easy to rehome - nor should he. He is what is termed as "special needs" - homes that are able to cope with "special needs" dogs are not so easy to find. It can be very hard to retrain these dogs and to find a foster carer who is prepared to stick with them for the months it can take. I know as I rescue dogs with special needs and look after them myself - one that i'd nursed for several months was on Bondi Vet this year. Over the years I have taken many dogs that no one else will (sick, blind etc), the very worst in the pound and spent thousands on their bills and endless hours on their rehab - that's what I do. I've also fostered such dogs for great rescue groups as well. They would not be the same kind of dogs that you rescue - many have been smaller dogs - so in your view it probably doesn't count. There are far too many cowboy rescuers who determine their success by the amount of dogs in and out at high speed. I am most definitely not one of them and nor do I advocate euthanasia as the first thing to do unless the dog is suffering and yes - I have had to do that once, it broke my heart. I'd only had the dog for an hour but the vet's assessment (and the illness) was devastating and incurable. You know what, I actually read the rest of your post and had to laugh. Regardless of breed or size I have no breed bias - you cannot claim the same. EVERY animal is precious, special needs or not. Congratulations on your successes with the special needs cases, but I trust you realise that you're not the only one. Would you like me to go on about the the terminally ill, the epileptic, the blind, the three legged through to genetically deficient animals we have spent tens of thousands on? Because I could, but I don't roll that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) For those who said to put him down because he won't be easy to rehome, I actually feel quite sad if that's how you measure rescue. I wonder who you are aiming this comment at? On past experience with you, I'm sure it's me - you need to read my posts again - sorry if will disappoint you. I did not say he should be put to sleep. It is not the dog's fault that he's been born into this world but it is the fault of the people breeding the parents IF they continue in full knowledge that this could happen when they breed those two dogs. I did say he wouldn't be easy to rehome - nor should he. He is what is termed as "special needs" - homes that are able to cope with "special needs" dogs are not so easy to find. It can be very hard to retrain these dogs and to find a foster carer who is prepared to stick with them for the months it can take. I know as I rescue dogs with special needs and look after them myself - one that i'd nursed for several months was on Bondi Vet this year. Over the years I have taken many dogs that no one else will (sick, blind etc), the very worst in the pound and spent thousands on their bills and endless hours on their rehab - that's what I do. I've also fostered such dogs for great rescue groups as well. They would not be the same kind of dogs that you rescue - many have been smaller dogs - so in your view it probably doesn't count. There are far too many cowboy rescuers who determine their success by the amount of dogs in and out at high speed. I am most definitely not one of them and nor do I advocate euthanasia as the first thing to do unless the dog is suffering and yes - I have had to do that once, it broke my heart. I'd only had the dog for an hour but the vet's assessment (and the illness) was devastating and incurable. You know what, I actually read the rest of your post and had to laugh. Regardless of breed or size I have no breed bias - you cannot claim the same. EVERY animal is precious, special needs or not. Congratulations on your successes with the special needs cases, but I trust you realise that you're not the only one. Would you like me to go on about the the terminally ill, the epileptic, the blind, the three legged through to genetically deficient animals we have spent tens of thousands on? Because I could, but I don't roll that way. Well was your comment aimed at me or not? Judging by this response, yes it was and all because I don't particularly like bull breeds, so you are taking another opportunity to have a little snipe in a thread that is completely unrelated to bull breeds. Get over yourself why don't you? Believe me I don't think i'm the only rescuer, I've met plenty of fantastic rescuers in the 20 or so years I've been involved. We will have to continue to disagree perpetually. :) Edited October 19, 2013 by dogmad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rescue List Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) . Edited October 19, 2013 by Rescue List Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bears Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 For those who said to put him down because he won't be easy to rehome, I actually feel quite sad if that's how you measure rescue. I wonder who you are aiming this comment at? On past experience with you, I'm sure it's me - you need to read my posts again - sorry if will disappoint you. I did not say he should be put to sleep. It is not the dog's fault that he's been born into this world but it is the fault of the people breeding the parents IF they continue in full knowledge that this could happen when they breed those two dogs. I did say he wouldn't be easy to rehome - nor should he. He is what is termed as "special needs" - homes that are able to cope with "special needs" dogs are not so easy to find. It can be very hard to retrain these dogs and to find a foster carer who is prepared to stick with them for the months it can take. I know as I rescue dogs with special needs and look after them myself - one that i'd nursed for several months was on Bondi Vet this year. Over the years I have taken many dogs that no one else will (sick, blind etc), the very worst in the pound and spent thousands on their bills and endless hours on their rehab - that's what I do. I've also fostered such dogs for great rescue groups as well. They would not be the same kind of dogs that you rescue - many have been smaller dogs - so in your view it probably doesn't count. There are far too many cowboy rescuers who determine their success by the amount of dogs in and out at high speed. I am most definitely not one of them and nor do I advocate euthanasia as the first thing to do unless the dog is suffering and yes - I have had to do that once, it broke my heart. I'd only had the dog for an hour but the vet's assessment (and the illness) was devastating and incurable. You know what, I actually read the rest of your post and had to laugh. Regardless of breed or size I have no breed bias - you cannot claim the same. EVERY animal is precious, special needs or not. Congratulations on your successes with the special needs cases, but I trust you realise that you're not the only one. Would you like me to go on about the the terminally ill, the epileptic, the blind, the three legged through to genetically deficient animals we have spent tens of thousands on? Because I could, but I don't roll that way. Well was your comment aimed at me or not? Judging by this response, yes it was and all because I don't particularly like bull breeds, so you are taking another opportunity to have a little snipe in a thread that is completely unrelated to bull breeds. Get over yourself why don't you? Believe me I don't think i'm the only rescuer, I've met plenty of fantastic rescuers in the 20 or so years I've been involved. We will have to continue to disagree perpetually. :) I realise you enjoy redundancy, but I don't. If you read above I've already answered you on who the post was directed towards. B Who mentioned bull breeds? I mentioned you have a breed bias - I don't. That was in direct response to your own unfounded and inaccurate (once again) assumption of: They would not be the same kind of dogs that you rescue - many have been smaller dogs - so in your view it probably doesn't count. Your paranoia is your own cross to bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Does he truly have no eyes, or does he have micro-orbits? If the latter, he may need drops (mainly saline or the like) to keep the sockets clean. Dogs born with a disability don't know any different - they are normal for them. Pups are especially resilient when it comes to disabilities. He has all of his other senses, so he shouldn't have insurmountable problems growing up happy and healthy. I've fostered a few disabled pups myself - they really don't act any different to their counterparts... and aren't really that much more difficult to find great forever homes for. T. We are getting that checked out by our own vet early next week, but to us laymen it looks like no eyes formed at all. His hearing and sense of smells works so well he is already adjusting admirably in an unfamiliar environment. He's running around like a loon, happily playing and being with everyone. Importantly, he manages to find your face to give you lots of special kisses. Sounds like he's going to have no problems at all finding himself that perfect forever home if this is how he's started his rescue journey... *grin* T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) Does he truly have no eyes, or does he have micro-orbits? If the latter, he may need drops (mainly saline or the like) to keep the sockets clean. Dogs born with a disability don't know any different - they are normal for them. Pups are especially resilient when it comes to disabilities. He has all of his other senses, so he shouldn't have insurmountable problems growing up happy and healthy. I've fostered a few disabled pups myself - they really don't act any different to their counterparts... and aren't really that much more difficult to find great forever homes for. T. We are getting that checked out by our own vet early next week, but to us laymen it looks like no eyes formed at all. His hearing and sense of smells works so well he is already adjusting admirably in an unfamiliar environment. He's running around like a loon, happily playing and being with everyone. Importantly, he manages to find your face to give you lots of special kisses. He sounds very cute. Good to see he is settling in. I think you should start a thread for him. It could be a great learning thread for others with dogs with this particular sensory disability. Edited October 19, 2013 by ~Anne~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Plenty of older dogs go blind and cope very well with the disability... so a puppy that has never known any different should be able to cope even better, yes? I'd rather a blind dog than a deaf one... deaf pups are VERY challenging... *grin* T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bears Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Here's a short video of him exploring his new yard today.... this pup is amazingly confident! Polo Exploring Yard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 You can't watch it in an iPad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 He's a cutie, isn't he? His other senses are working nicely for him while exploring the yard, and he only nosed a couple of obstacles... well done! T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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