Are You Serious Jo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 From the OL FB page about them, no mention of registered breeders as an option. https://www.facebook.com/OscarsLawAUS/info About Oscar's Law aims to: Abolish the factory farming of companion animals Ban the sale of factory farmed companion animals from pet shops, online and in print media, Insist the government run a proper campaign on responsible pet ownership. Mission Oscar's Law aims to: Abolish the factory farming of companion animals. Ban the sale of factory farmed companion animals from pet shops, online and in print media Insist the government run a proper campaign on responsible pet ownership. Description Oscar was rescued from appalling conditions at a puppy farm in Central Victoria, Australia. Oscar suffered terribly and had infected ears, dental disease and inflamed infected gums, his fur was so matted it felt like concrete and his skin was barely visible. Once his matted fur was shaved under general anesthetic due to the pain he was in, his skin was covered in abscesses caused by grass seeds. Oscars freedom was short lived. Days after his rescue, authorities seized Oscar and returned him to the puppy farm. Oscar is alive and is back home once again after enduring 5 years on two puppy factories. For the last 18 months a team of dedicated people have worked tirelessly to gain Oscar’s freedom. Oscar is finally receiving the care and love he deserves and is learning to live life as a dog rather than a breeding machine in a factory. There are thousands more dogs like Oscar suffering on puppy factories across Australia that need your help. One of the most powerful ways you can help dogs like Oscar is to raise awareness. Please take the time to email your state political leaders, you may wish to add your own personalised comments to the pre-written letters. The power is in our hands in every choice we make as consumers. Never purchase puppies from pet shops or online trading websites. Instead choose from your local animal shelter, pound or rescue group it will be desexed, microchipped and ready for a happy life with you. Empower and educate everyone you know about the truth behind the pet shop window and glossy websites. Together we can shut down this industry that views our ‘best friends’ as ‘primary producers’ We need your help to get justice for Oscar and other dogs like him who are factory farmed in Australia. We need all of you to SPEND 5 MINUTES A DAY to lobby both the Liberal and Labour parties and call for the abolition of puppy factories. We want Oscar’s Law. The current legislation is not working. OSCAR'S LAW: Abolish the mass production of dogs. Make factory farming of dogs illegal Ban the sale of factory farmed companion animals from pet shops, online and in print media Encourage people to adopt animals from shelters, pounds and rescue organisations Tell the Government to commence running a REAL campaign about true and responsible pet ownership GO TO oscarslaw.org to find out how you can be part of the solution and help us shut down puppy factories. General information Oscar’s law is a very simple campaign: it enables everyone to make a stand and tell the Government that "We do not want companion animals factory farmed anymore” and "We no longer want the pet industry to mislead us about what is acceptable for our animals”. You can help fight the genocide in Australia's pounds, promote rescue organisations and shelters as the first option to adopting, and change the way Australians gets their pets. Adoption is the intelligent alternative to impulse buying. No puppy factory whether it is 'clean', 'model', 'state of the art' or otherwise is the answer for mans best friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I cannot find any mention of support for registered breeders on the OL official page or the FB page. So, who is game to go on their FB page and ask what the OL position is on registered breeders :laugh: I already know what happens so I'll leave it to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It seems they're replicating themselves on PACERS and the MDBA. They have an emergency care sub section of the group like pacers and they offer a foster care course like the MDBA. I note a few familiar people linked to the foster care group. I cannot find the group you have copied the post form though Jo. Can you provide a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 The link is on the first line, but I'll paste again in case it's broken. https://www.facebook.com/OscarsLawAUS?fref=ts If that doesn't work go to FB and search for Oscar's Law and you'll see the page.There is a private group as well but this is from the public one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 No sorry, I mean the NARGA posts. I can find a Narga discussion forum but I don't think it is the same one that you posted the first pic from re breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I just went to get it because I realised I hadn't posted the link, https://www.facebook.com/NationalAnimalRescueGroupsofAustralia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbie_tabbie Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I hate to say but sometimes 'adopting' from a rescue is easier than buying. You ring up, you direct deposit and a dog is dropped off or shipped to you no questions. Warm fuzzies all round and zero responsibility on the part of the seller rescuer. I dare to question this method and inevitably the reply is "I suppose you'd rather see dogs die". No, I'd rather see rescue work to a higher standard than an online dog shop moving inventory. Off topic really, sorry. I don't think that's rescue, all they are doing is setting up the family/dog for failure. For my fosters (and the shelter I vollie at) adopters have to fill out an initial form, about their lifestyle (ie, active, children, pets etc). Then if not right for the dog applied for the reason is given and a suitable dog suggested. If successful then we do a home visit with the dog. If all goes well the dogs go on a trial (full refund in this time). Then finallly formally adopted if all good, with lifetime assistance (free of charge behaviourist for any problems, take back dog at any time etc). Which is the careful homing/guarantee good breeders do. If anyone ever says anything anti-breeder (ethical breeder) I simply ask them to point out the well-bred purebred dogs in the shelter.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It seems they're replicating themselves on PACERS and the MDBA. They have an emergency care sub section of the group like pacers and they offer a foster care course like the MDBA. I note a few familiar people linked to the foster care group. I cannot find the group you have copied the post form though Jo. Can you provide a link. How have you not heard of NARGA, they speak on behalf of, and represent ALL resuce groups in Australia! (sarcasm, sorry. doesn't come across very well in text :laugh: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbie_tabbie Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) This one is even clearer. I haven't yet seen any differentiation between ethical registered breeders and puppy farmers. Wow.... The only person who needs to 'answer' for those dogs is the byb churning out puppies for whoever has the $ and the consumers who treat them like a seasonal purchase and then get rid of them. NOT the person who researched breeds, found a good breeder and passed their checks to get a well bred balanced pup. FYI - was trying to quote the pic, not the words! Edited September 17, 2013 by Tibbie_tabbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It seems they're replicating themselves on PACERS and the MDBA. They have an emergency care sub section of the group like pacers and they offer a foster care course like the MDBA. I note a few familiar people linked to the foster care group. I cannot find the group you have copied the post form though Jo. Can you provide a link. How have you not heard of NARGA, they speak on behalf of, and represent ALL resuce groups in Australia! (sarcasm, sorry. doesn't come across very well in text :laugh: ) You know that grey person jumped on board at NARGA, wasn't that page a hell of a thing :laugh: It seems to attract the rescues that others have issues over in regards to ethics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It seems they're replicating themselves on PACERS and the MDBA. They have an emergency care sub section of the group like pacers and they offer a foster care course like the MDBA. I note a few familiar people linked to the foster care group. I cannot find the group you have copied the post form though Jo. Can you provide a link. How have you not heard of NARGA, they speak on behalf of, and represent ALL resuce groups in Australia! (sarcasm, sorry. doesn't come across very well in text :laugh: ) :laugh: Yes, I read a little about them when they were first starting out but I never really looked at them in too much detail. I have a couple of friends on FB who regularly post on a different NARGA page to what Jo has posted above but I skim over them. On a more serious note, I actually find there are a lot of rescue threads on FB that I have to ignore. Many have become so blinkered in their thinking or maybe I've just lost patience with the crazy world of rescue. Either way, I find myself distancing myself more and more away from it all and so I am losing touch with the emerging groups and the changing ethos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayla1 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I cannot find any mention of support for registered breeders on the OL official page or the FB page. So, who is game to go on their FB page and ask what the OL position is on registered breeders :laugh: I already know what happens so I'll leave it to someone else. There is info in the FAQ section on the OL website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) There is info in the FAQ section on the OL website. Thanks, kayla. Followed it up & found this below. It's getting close to describing what's wanted in breeding/raising puppies. So good for OL. But it could be improved with some sharper detail, pointing out that there's good evidence to guide a puppy buyer's research. Like , socialization is not mentioned at all. And also adding to the summary guidelines on the OL Home Page ... where most people look. Something about 'good' breeding/raising practice needs to be mentioned there. What is the difference between a registered breeder and a puppy factory (and how will I know)? A registered breeder is registered with their State organisation such as Dogs Victoria. However, just because a breeder is registered does not necessarily mean they're ethical. A puppy factory is not registered with any organisation. Many claim to be registered, but they are in fact just a ‘registered’ business! An ethical breeder will be happy for you to visit them to meet the parents and the pups at their own premises, in fact most will insist. Puppy factories will not. Even puppy factories who meet the legal requirements of minimum standards of care will not let you see their breeding facilities - they know that you will be horrified. We encourage you to do your own thorough research before buying a puppy - inspect the breeder's facilities, breeding dogs and puppies yourself. Ask for testimonials of previous buyers and what 'after purchase' follow-up the breeder offers. A breeder will know about their breed, they will be happy to answer your questions and are very likely to have plenty of their own. The RSPCA Victoria have developed the Smart puppy buyers guide to further assist you in ensuring you are not supporting puppy factories. Edited September 17, 2013 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I don't see this as supportive. If they really wanted to promote registered breeders as a source they would actually put it in more places on their websites. After all, shouldn't they be encouraging people to go through ethical breeders as well as adopting? The fact that they are supporting new legislation that will result in the demise of hobby breeders also is evidence that they really don't advocate breeding. "What is the difference between a registered breeder and a puppy factory (and how will I know)? A registered breeder is registered with their State organisation such as Dogs Victoria. However, just because a breeder is registered does not necessarily mean they're ethical. A puppy factory is not registered with any organisation. Many claim to be registered, but they are in fact just a ‘registered’ business! An ethical breeder will be happy for you to visit them to meet the parents and the pups at their own premises, in fact most will insist. Puppy factories will not. Even puppy factories who meet the legal requirements of minimum standards of care will not let you see their breeding facilities - they know that you will be horrified. We encourage you to do your own thorough research before buying a puppy - inspect the breeder's facilities, breeding dogs and puppies yourself. Ask for testimonials of previous buyers and what 'after purchase' follow-up the breeder offers. A breeder will know about their breed, they will be happy to answer your questions and are very likely to have plenty of their own. The RSPCA Victoria have developed the Smart puppy buyers guide to further assist you in ensuring you are not supporting puppy factories." A lot of OL material is emotive and even this has has some guilt inducing moments. "Is Oscar's Law against all dog breeding? No we are not against dog breeding, we are opposed to factory farming pets. We love dogs and don't want to see the extinction of our wonderful companions by banning all breeding. We believe there are better ways to keep, breed and find your new 'best friend'. Puppy factories inflict cruelty and deprive dogs of their basic needs and there is no justification for factory farming our pets. We strongly promote adoption as there is nothing more rewarding than saving a life. We do recognise that some people will search for a particular breed and want a puppy, we recommend you do your research when finding an ethical breeder, just because they are registered doesn't mean they are ethical! Check out the RSPCA Smart puppy buyer's guide for further information on how to buy a puppy without supporting puppy factories" I challenge anyone who thinks OL is fully supportive of registered breeders to post on their FB page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animal ark 22 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I don"t support puppy farms and promote pound dogs and rescue whenever I can BUT I also understand people want a pure bred .There could be many reasons anything from knowing the size they will become to their gentics to temp and I don"t see anything wrong with someone going to a breeder . I guess its their choice of breeder that is the question. I looked at that facebook attachment posted here and it really did play on my mind owning a pound dog myself I know its not all roses but those photos really were aimed to hit you. I don"t think by someone going to a breeder simply means a shelter dog will die thats a bold and broad statement .While there are many dogs in pounds it doesn"t mean they are suitable for that one family looking on that day or even week . I don"t know much about the whole OL thing I do know its taken off and become huge .In many ways I feel sorry for the decent rego breeders out there because to me it always comes across by these groups that you too are no better than the puppy farms .So I guess to someone who didn"t know or didn"t look into it you also get a bad wrap . People are always afraid of what they don"t fully understand and of course there will always be those who jump on any band wagon, Im still learning and reading up on things and looking into how things work .I never went in for the whole OL thing because I didn"t understand what it was really all about at first I thought it was just about puppy farms but then it got all twisted and he said she said .Honestly it made me feel if I didn"t agree with it then I didn"t care but thats not true I do care but somewhere in it all I got lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Isn't Deb Tranter affiliated with teh Animals Australia mob as well? Seem to remember reading that somewhere... Wouldn't trust either mob as far as I could throw them actually... T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Is Tranter involved in NARGA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 When NARGA first started they weren't very forthcoming about who was involved when people tried to find out. I don't know if she is involved, you can ask but I suspect if she is they won't tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Is Tranter involved in NARGA? Deb Tranter is behind Oscar's Law - I was raising a query about the OL affiliation it seems NARGA followers have. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 If we are talking about NARGA I say good on them for having a go. You dont have to agree with their philosophies or join them or use their services but why smack them over the head for dipping their toe in? Just because Pet rescue exists doesnt mean to say they should be entitled to a monopoly on services for rescue and rescue dogs. From what I can see its not the same as what Pet Rescue do in much anyway. Oscars Law is a different topic in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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