So Annoyed!

[Are You Serious Jo]

There was freedom, it was abused so that freedom was restricted. If you let those people who let their out of control dogs off leash go more places all that happens is those of us who are responsible never take our dogs out. I take it you have never read any of those threads about some $#@@^* having their dog offlead and how it has attacked someone else's dog. It is naive to think just asking nicely will change the entrenched I do what I want and eff you bro attitude we have here. A lot of us don't take our dogs out because of them now, imagine if they were everywhere

[mixeduppup]

I see your point. It's such a shame because it ruins it for us who work so hard to train our dogs and be responsible.

Edited September 8, 2013 by mixeduppup

[WreckitWhippet]

Australian dog owners aren't considerate enough for the government to allow dogs to go everywhere. Don't worry he is friendly would be heard everywhere as dogs were chewing on legs or other dogs. We can't even get people to keep leads on. IF people were more responsible I'd like to see dogs able to go more places. Not everywhere because non dog people have rights too. I don't want to be confronted with the nuf nufs we have now with their out of control dogs.

But would they be just as out of control if they were allowed most places and had the socialisation and training they required just by a change in lifestyle? Right now most dogs are kept so fenced in, caged up, locked up that we wouldn't have any idea what it would be like to let them have more access and be with their people. I loved being in America as dogs were allowed so many places that we deny them.

You make it sound like dogs are required to be kept caged all their life whereas the truth is we have lots of places dogs can go and do. Yet with this freedom it is abused with dogs continually let off leash and other on lead dogs attacked. If those dog owners cannot manage to socialise and train their dogs with the large amount of freedom they currently have what makes you think more freedom will make that change? There is no point comparing us to other countries because we have an entirely different culture, too many people with no respect for anyone else.

This ... owners can't get it right now when it comes to obeying the current laws.

[trinabean]

Personally I would not leave my dog tied up outside on a fence with lots of people around and out of my line of sight.

I don't get the need to take the dog when you go and do things like voting - I do dog things with my dog and leave him at home when I do people things.

I agree. I can't stand going to 'people things' and dogs are there. I work with dogs, I have dogs, so chances are other peoples dogs hone in on this and don't leave me alone. I resent taking my daughter to kiddies parks and people having their dogs there. I should be able to relax and not watch out for other peoples dogs in a dog free zone. Other people assume that everyone loves their dogs because ohmydogtheyresocute. Even yesterday, I went to an Open House for a friend and they had a huge GSD there in the yard. He stunk and would not leave me alone, I got GSD hair all over my pants and then they stunk too. The owners should have locked him up or taken him out with them - lovely old boy but I was not in dog mode and so not in the mood. I also had my daughter with me and nobody knew if the dog was friendly or not so had to make her sit out on front step on her own.

Don't inflict your pets on others if it's not a suitable environment for them. Half the time I think they become peoples' security blankets.

Good post Clyde, and some excellent points made.

I think a comparable analogy is: If you have kids, and work with kids, when you get a rare opportunity to go out, the last thing you might feel like is being seated next to a table with noisy children in a restaurant. That might just be me though... My children and my dog mean a lot to me. But I don't expect or feel a need to take them everywhere with me either. Some people don't like children or dogs. Some places/events are unsuitable, and that's just how it is.

There was freedom, it was abused so that freedom was restricted. If you let those people who let their out of control dogs off leash go more places all that happens is those of us who are responsible never take our dogs out. I take it you have never read any of those threads about some $#@@^* having their dog offlead and how it has attacked someone else's dog. It is naive to think just asking nicely will change the entrenched I do what I want and eff you bro attitude we have here. A lot of us don't take our dogs out because of them now, imagine if they were everywhere

Yes. It's bad enough now.

[Pjrt]

When I went to vote yesterday there was one dog tied up to the church fence. It was actually a customer of mine. A little Poodle cross. It barked its guts out for all of the 1/2 hrs or so I was there. The owner had walked the dog there on her own, had to tie it to the fence to get in the line which was reasonably long, and then we all had to stand in line listening to it bark scream wail & cry for all the time. While I was trying to concentrate on counting to 73 below the line all I could here was that bloody dog. It was only a few metres from the sausage sizzle & cake stall and the people operating them & buying from them were clearly not happy either. It was an absolute PITA.

I can still manage to be grateful to not have to fear for my life while trying to vote, but that dog was not happy, it's owner was not happy, no one around the entire scene was happy.

It wouldn't even enter my head to take a dog to vote.

[Tralee]

I see your point. It's such a shame because it ruins it for us who work so hard to train our dogs and be responsible.

Geez, don't be such a chameleon.

There are many more ways to curtail human behaviour other than law and by-laws.

Further, it is not possible to have a law for every human behaviour.

The Northern Hemishere is much more enlightened because they have more people, more dogs, more experience and more common sense, apparently. Dogs can even be booked on aeroplanes.

In many ways, Australia is an anachronistic back water.

On the other hand, in many things, we lead the World.

Dog business is not one of them.

[mixeduppup]

I see your point. It's such a shame because it ruins it for us who work so hard to train our dogs and be responsible.

Geez, don't be such a chameleon.

There are many more ways to curtail human behaviour other than law and by-laws.

Further, it is not possible to have a law for every human behaviour.

The Northern Hemishere is much more enlightened because they have more people, more dogs, more experience and more common sense, apparently. Dogs can even be booked on aeroplanes.

In many ways, Australia is an anachronistic back water.

On the other hand, in many things, we lead the World.

Dog business is not one of them.

i'm not being such a chameleon, I'm listening and accepting new ideas where appropriate. I can see Rev Jo's point and as much as I want to deny it I understand exactly what she's saying. And as I speak there's someone with 4 off-leash dog at the soccer field behind my house and their dogs keep on coming and barking aggressively at my dogs through the fence (which my dogs are very nicely ignoring), the owners are doing nothing.

[Guest donatella]

So why are Aussies so retarded when it comes to dog ownership and responsibility in comparison to Europe and the USA who have more people? Why are we lacking in well trained dogs who can be an integral part of society compared to these countries?

[Tralee]

So why are Aussies so retarded when it comes to dog ownership and responsibility in comparison to Europe and the USA who have more people? Why are we lacking in well trained dogs who can be an integral part of society compared to these countries?

Don't tempt me.

[WreckitWhippet]

So why are Aussies so retarded when it comes to dog ownership and responsibility in comparison to Europe and the USA who have more people? Why are we lacking in well trained dogs who can be an integral part of society compared to these countries?

Speak for yourself, mine are well trained and social.

I like my dogs and I take them places that they are permitted to attend, I don't however feel the need to drag them everywhere with me and respect the fact that not everyone wants to dine next to a dog , share their motel room or hike through a National Park with one present.

[Guest donatella]

I'm asking a question in relation to the people who have said some people already have no control of their dog in public, not singling anyone out in particular.

I doubt Australia will ever be as dog friendly as USA and Europe and I'm wondering why.

[westiemum]

When I went to vote yesterday there was one dog tied up to the church fence. It was actually a customer of mine. A little Poodle cross. It barked its guts out for all of the 1/2 hrs or so I was there. The owner had walked the dog there on her own, had to tie it to the fence to get in the line which was reasonably long, and then we all had to stand in line listening to it bark scream wail & cry for all the time. While I was trying to concentrate on counting to 73 below the line all I could here was that bloody dog. It was only a few metres from the sausage sizzle & cake stall and the people operating them & buying from them were clearly not happy either. It was an absolute PITA.

I can still manage to be grateful to not have to fear for my life while trying to vote, but that dog was not happy, it's owner was not happy, no one around the entire scene was happy.

It wouldn't even enter my head to take a dog to vote.

Maybe if the dog had been allowed inside it wouldn't have barked? The one next to me in the polling booth was fine - quiet, leashed, controlled didn't even realise he was there to start with as I grappled valiantly for ages with my metre long senate ballot paper, numbering 1 - 73 below the line.

[mixeduppup]

I still think that if dogs are leashed they should be allowed in a lot more places than they currently are

[Are You Serious Jo]

I've already given my thoughts, lack of consideration for others.

[Loving my Oldies]

It was an absolute PITA.

And whose fault was this?

This post really annoys me. Blame the owner not the dog

[Pjrt]

When I went to vote yesterday there was one dog tied up to the church fence. It was actually a customer of mine. A little Poodle cross. It barked its guts out for all of the 1/2 hrs or so I was there. The owner had walked the dog there on her own, had to tie it to the fence to get in the line which was reasonably long, and then we all had to stand in line listening to it bark scream wail & cry for all the time. While I was trying to concentrate on counting to 73 below the line all I could here was that bloody dog. It was only a few metres from the sausage sizzle & cake stall and the people operating them & buying from them were clearly not happy either. It was an absolute PITA.

I can still manage to be grateful to not have to fear for my life while trying to vote, but that dog was not happy, it's owner was not happy, no one around the entire scene was happy.

It wouldn't even enter my head to take a dog to vote.

Maybe if the dog had been allowed inside it wouldn't have barked? The one next to me in the polling booth was fine - quiet, leashed, controlled didn't even realise he was there to start with as I grappled valiantly for ages with my metre long senate ballot paper, numbering 1 - 73 below the line.

No it probably wouldn't have barked if it was with it's owner in the line. But I know if it was my school gym, or community hall, or church that was being used as a polling booth, it would be NO dogs on polling day. Seriously I do not want male dogs hoiking on the ballot boxes or door frames or girls deciding to make a lake somewhere, or dogforbid someone leaving a 'present' in the hall etc. Just as they do with their kids letting them run everywhere, a lot of people just do not watch their dogs or make any attempt to stop the dog from marking or jumping up the legs of the people in front etc. Yes it's sad that I think that way but 2 and a half plus decades of being around the average dog owner on a daily basis has left me feeling this way. If people learnt to keep their pets out of other peoples space, clean & quiet when in public we might see peoples attitudes change. I know most DOLers would but we don't make up the majority of average jo dog owners, far from it.

[Pjrt]

It was an absolute PITA.

And whose fault was this?

This post really annoys me. Blame the owner not the dog

Where did I blame the dog! Of course it was the owners fault! I even said the dog was not happy! I meant more like it was a PIA for everyone there having to listen to the unhappy dog. The fault for that was squarely on the owner.

Edited September 8, 2013 by skyefool

[WreckitWhippet]

When I went to vote yesterday there was one dog tied up to the church fence. It was actually a customer of mine. A little Poodle cross. It barked its guts out for all of the 1/2 hrs or so I was there. The owner had walked the dog there on her own, had to tie it to the fence to get in the line which was reasonably long, and then we all had to stand in line listening to it bark scream wail & cry for all the time. While I was trying to concentrate on counting to 73 below the line all I could here was that bloody dog. It was only a few metres from the sausage sizzle & cake stall and the people operating them & buying from them were clearly not happy either. It was an absolute PITA.

I can still manage to be grateful to not have to fear for my life while trying to vote, but that dog was not happy, it's owner was not happy, no one around the entire scene was happy.

It wouldn't even enter my head to take a dog to vote.

Maybe if the dog had been allowed inside it wouldn't have barked? The one next to me in the polling booth was fine - quiet, leashed, controlled didn't even realise he was there to start with as I grappled valiantly for ages with my metre long senate ballot paper, numbering 1 - 73 below the line.

No it probably wouldn't have barked if it was with it's owner in the line. But I know if it was my school gym, or community hall, or church that was being used as a polling booth, it would be NO dogs on polling day. Seriously I do not want male dogs hoiking on the ballot boxes or door frames or girls deciding to make a lake somewhere, or dogforbid someone leaving a 'present' in the hall etc. Just as they do with their kids letting them run everywhere, a lot of people just do not watch their dogs or make any attempt to stop the dog from marking or jumping up the legs of the people in front etc. Yes it's sad that I think that way but 2 and a half plus decades of being around the average dog owner on a daily basis has left me feeling this way. If people learnt to keep their pets out of other peoples space, clean & quiet when in public we might see peoples attitudes change. I know most DOLers would but we don't make up the majority of average jo dog owners, far from it.

There are plenty who share the average jo attitude of they will do as they please though, when it comes to their dog.

[coogie]

For what it's worth I think the well behaved dogs overseas thing is a bit of a myth, or are at least they are in the minority even though they are allowed go "everywhere". I lived in Central London for a long time and was often in Europe as well. In London you might see some well behaved dogs out and about sometimes in the nicer parts, but it was not unusual to be lunged at several times a day by an out of control dog, usually wearing a studded harness in the less salubrious parts I worked in. Or to be baled up by an off leash dog not contained in a yard. The housing was very dense in places and lots of poorly fenced yards and big dogs in a smallish inner city area made it a complete nightmare, there were lots of problems. In some areas you could barely take a step for dog poo all over the pavements and in every park/green space.

Same in parts of Paris, Parisiennes may take their dogs everywhere, but they sure as hell don't always take poo bags. Sure they sit in Cafes and it all looks very civilised but I witnessed a number of people get a nip on the ankle and lots of scuffles between dogs as well.

In LA I had the misfortune to sit next to a woman who had brought her dogs to lunch at the Farmer's Market. They were sat at the table and eating off her plate ( whilst she was eating off the same plate I might add) nobody batted an eyelid but I wanted to throw up. One of them snapped at the waitress when she came to collect the plates, the dogs clearly went everywhere with her, but it hadn't improved their manners or behaviour.

I don't see why well behaved dogs shouldn't be allowed to go more places, but I understand why it is not allowed here, I don't necessarily like it but comply because I think the restrictions will only get worse if we don't.

Yesterday I wished my dog could eat my vote, the monkeys on the ticket for my electorate were the pits.

[minimax]

I'm asking a question in relation to the people who have said some people already have no control of their dog in public, not singling anyone out in particular.

I doubt Australia will ever be as dog friendly as USA and Europe and I'm wondering why.

Perhaps other parts of the world actually enforce rules and laws around dogs? (just a suggestion, no actual evidence or anything nor time to look it up, but it is an interesting question)