W Sibs Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Poor doggie and you... sounds like a hard day. Emmy gets fed about 10 kibbles for breakfast in the morning (she is on pro plan weight management kibbles) and then she only gets 1 chicken wing for dinner (or drumstick). If she had a lot of snack at day, her meals are cut smaller. 1 and a half cup of kibbles is just way to much. Definitely take him to training or get a behaviourist out, sounds like he is very stressed about everything. Dont take it personally when he doesn't come when you call him... Emmy avoids me for a few hours after I give her a bath. They can be temperamental these Jap Spitz. When I make her do something she doesn't want to do, she goes somewhere to sulk and gives me these sad looks. Right now, don't feel sorry for him or yourself or put blame on anyone... what happens has happened. Just concentrate on getting him comfortable and stable. Work on developing a bond with him, because I can tell you that once the bond is form, you can't get a more loyal dog. Edited September 9, 2013 by W Sibs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarabelle Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 Poor doggie and you... sounds like a hard day. Emmy gets fed about 10 kibbles for breakfast in the morning (she is on pro plan weight management kibbles) and then she only gets 1 chicken wing for dinner (or drumstick). If she had a lot of snack at day, her meals are cut smaller. 1 and a half cup of kibbles is just way to much. Definitely take him to training or get a behaviourist out, sounds like he is very stressed about everything. Dont take it personally when he doesn't come when you call him... Emmy avoids me for a few hours after I give her a bath. They can be temperamental these Jap Spitz. When I make her do something she doesn't want to do, she goes somewhere to sulk and gives me these sad looks. Right now, don't feel sorry for him or yourself or put blame on anyone... what happens has happened. Just concentrate on getting him comfortable and stable. Work on developing a bond with him, because I can tell you that once the bond is form, you can't get a more loyal dog. wow 10 kibbles.. aww thats nice to know that im not alone with this attitude... he is alot better now, he's responding to me calling him but just not that excitedly. he loves his pats and belly rubs too much to stay angry.. haha. thanks for the pep talk ! really worked (: hopefully after everyone get some sleep ( including me ) tomorrow will be a better day :D he's so tired he totally konked out since 830. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 wow 10 kibbles.. aww thats nice to know that im not alone with this attitude... he is alot better now, he's responding to me calling him but just not that excitedly. he loves his pats and belly rubs too much to stay angry.. haha. thanks for the pep talk ! really worked (: hopefully after everyone get some sleep ( including me ) tomorrow will be a better day :D he's so tired he totally konked out since 830. Yes, I count 10 kibbles for her and sometimes for a treat i will add a bit of egg white in there too or a teaspoon of yoghurt... as long as she gets food, she is happy. You will be fine... some dogs needs more attention that some at the beginning, but as long as you are willing to put in the work and effort, it's going to be all worthwhile :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Clarabelle, I think you are doing great with your new boy, seeking advice and taking in a whole lot of new information from different sources! Keep listening to the knowledgable people here, especially other JS owners. At the end of the day the DNA test may be useful or may not, doesn't really matter exactly what he is as he's yours now! And he really does appear to have at least a fair bit of JS in him :) Just keep working on bonding with and training him and I reckon you'll end up with a great little guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeebie Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Just a couple pics one is of jap spitz other is Samoyed so you can see the distinct similarty between the 2 yours looks more samoyed then spitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwallylegs Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Good on you for seeking out help and advice with your new furbaby, there is heaps of really knowledgable people here who can help you. First off, you have only had him for a really short period of time, his behaviour can be a direct result of this, he may be fretting, and just shutting down, when they do this they just seem to sleep a lot. He is clearly out of his comfort zone, and will probably continue to be this way until he settles peoperly and is used to his new surroundings. All animals go through a period of settling and he will likely take a little while. If he has had free access to toileting outside and he is now limited he may feel very anxious about toileting, and is holding for extended periods of time because of this, I had a foster who would hold for a full day and half the night despite being taken outside regularly and having access to outside, she was just totally confused with her environment. Continued regular toilet walks fixed this, so you need to just make sure you take him out regularly every few hours till he gets the idea. He will settle from the vet visit give him some time. It also may be due to the dog having to hold onto to toileting for too long in its previous home, perhaps that has led to this extended period, if he was closed in during the day while his owners were at work he may find it hard for a while to get used to not holding. As far as food is concerned, you are feeding him too much, and try to not just give kibble, some fresh raw is much more beneficial in the long term, there is great advice here on the forum in the nutrition section, so have a good read. Enjoy your baby, he will blossom soon enough and be running rings around you if you get him out and about playing and socialising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Poor you and Maple. I would be finding another vet for the future. I cannot believe the vet did a purely optional DNA test on a dog that was that stressed and frightened. The tests for breed are not very reliable but it is done now so will be interesting to see what it says. JS can be very aloof with strangers unless very heavily socialised as young babies and as a breed there are a lot of timid ones. Mine happens to be the opposite and is very bold for a JS but they are not all like that. Food wise I have never even had a full grown Border Collie that needed that much dry food. It is an enormous amount of food. My little 6.5 kg JS eats a lot for his small size because he is on the go all the time and is extremely active even compared to other JS. He is a weird eater, sometimes being hungry and other times not at all and it is a constant battle to keep any weight on him. On average he gets a small handful of dry food for breakfast. For dinner he gets 100gms of mince, raw veges and brown rice mixture and 100gms of turkey neck or chicken wing pieces. He eats nearly two thirds of what I feed to my 25kg Border Collie but is the much more active dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) I'm another Dancinbcs who can't understand why any Vet would put a totally stressed out dog through any "extra" tests than ones that are absolutely necessary. You get the visit over ASAP for the sake of the poor frightened dog. Clarabelle, I feel for you & poor Maple. Hope today everybody is feeling better & calmer. It is very scary when your dog reacts to the Vet this way but dogs that are frightened are unpredictable & will lash out in fear. My girl has actually bitten our Vet on the face She is a fearful girl at times & Vet visits are a nightmare for us & her. I muzzle her now for the Vets safety. She is a trembling mess before we even get into the Vets room. She has tried to jump through a closed window there to escape. Unturned chairs in the waiting room in sheer panic. So I can understand exactly how you felt yesterday. The first time Stella retaliated I was just so shocked I couldn't believe she would bite anyone but she did. It all happens very quickly. So don't feel bad. You are not alone. Some dogs are just timid/fearful. As for being very stand off ish afterwards that's just their way of coming down emotionally from a traumatic experience. So don't take it to heart. IMHO once you get some of the excess weight of Maple you will see a changed girl . She will be a lot more active im guessing. Poor dog is working very hard carrying all of that extra around. As I said my boy is 23 kg & only gets half a cup of dry food a day & 200g of home made Barf. 1 meaty raw bone mid morning. He gets lots of exercise as well. So Maple's previous owners haven't done her nor you any favours but she is in caring hands now :) Edited September 10, 2013 by BC Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasareina Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 wow what a stressful beginning for you! Maple is gorgeous though and I'm sure you will get everything sorted out soon! Mum's dog Ninja took a snap at the vet last time he went in as well - he is getting old and grumpy now and is another one that starts to tremble before you even get in the vet office. Sounds like your pup is in a much better home now - I'm sure you will develop a strong bond, and once he starts bouncing off the walls you might think back on the quiet stage with longing :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarabelle Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Good on you for seeking out help and advice with your new furbaby, there is heaps of really knowledgable people here who can help you. First off, you have only had him for a really short period of time, his behaviour can be a direct result of this, he may be fretting, and just shutting down, when they do this they just seem to sleep a lot. He is clearly out of his comfort zone, and will probably continue to be this way until he settles peoperly and is used to his new surroundings. All animals go through a period of settling and he will likely take a little while. If he has had free access to toileting outside and he is now limited he may feel very anxious about toileting, and is holding for extended periods of time because of this, I had a foster who would hold for a full day and half the night despite being taken outside regularly and having access to outside, she was just totally confused with her environment. Continued regular toilet walks fixed this, so you need to just make sure you take him out regularly every few hours till he gets the idea. He will settle from the vet visit give him some time. It also may be due to the dog having to hold onto to toileting for too long in its previous home, perhaps that has led to this extended period, if he was closed in during the day while his owners were at work he may find it hard for a while to get used to not holding. As far as food is concerned, you are feeding him too much, and try to not just give kibble, some fresh raw is much more beneficial in the long term, there is great advice here on the forum in the nutrition section, so have a good read. Enjoy your baby, he will blossom soon enough and be running rings around you if you get him out and about playing and socialising. Thanks :D I've been reading so much on dogs nowadays, I fear that I might not even read this much for my next human baby hahaha. He is much better now, he would wee wee in the wee wee pad. ( For two consecutive days already ) Didn't even have to wee wee pad train him that much ! He really needs socialising.. he seems so confused when he sees other dogs and all the other owners doesn't want him near their furbies at all ! Rejection for my dear boy. Will sign us up for some training sessions soon :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarabelle Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Poor you and Maple. I would be finding another vet for the future. I cannot believe the vet did a purely optional DNA test on a dog that was that stressed and frightened. The tests for breed are not very reliable but it is done now so will be interesting to see what it says. JS can be very aloof with strangers unless very heavily socialised as young babies and as a breed there are a lot of timid ones. Mine happens to be the opposite and is very bold for a JS but they are not all like that. Food wise I have never even had a full grown Border Collie that needed that much dry food. It is an enormous amount of food. My little 6.5 kg JS eats a lot for his small size because he is on the go all the time and is extremely active even compared to other JS. He is a weird eater, sometimes being hungry and other times not at all and it is a constant battle to keep any weight on him. On average he gets a small handful of dry food for breakfast. For dinner he gets 100gms of mince, raw veges and brown rice mixture and 100gms of turkey neck or chicken wing pieces. He eats nearly two thirds of what I feed to my 25kg Border Collie but is the much more active dog. Dieting for the dog is painful to watch ): I am constantly thinking ' aw poor thing must be starving' ( one little snack wont hurt ) hahaha . hopefully after a week he would get skinnier so i can improve on the quality of his diet. That vet to me was insensitive and unloving ( to me at least, to my boyfriend he thought he was aloof and professional) How are other vets like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarabelle Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'm another Dancinbcs who can't understand why any Vet would put a totally stressed out dog through any "extra" tests than ones that are absolutely necessary. You get the visit over ASAP for the sake of the poor frightened dog. Clarabelle, I feel for you & poor Maple. Hope today everybody is feeling better & calmer. It is very scary when your dog reacts to the Vet this way but dogs that are frightened are unpredictable & will lash out in fear. My girl has actually bitten our Vet on the face She is a fearful girl at times & Vet visits are a nightmare for us & her. I muzzle her now for the Vets safety. She is a trembling mess before we even get into the Vets room. She has tried to jump through a closed window there to escape. Unturned chairs in the waiting room in sheer panic. So I can understand exactly how you felt yesterday. The first time Stella retaliated I was just so shocked I couldn't believe she would bite anyone but she did. It all happens very quickly. So don't feel bad. You are not alone. Some dogs are just timid/fearful. As for being very stand off ish afterwards that's just their way of coming down emotionally from a traumatic experience. So don't take it to heart. IMHO once you get some of the excess weight of Maple you will see a changed girl . She will be a lot more active im guessing. Poor dog is working very hard carrying all of that extra around. As I said my boy is 23 kg & only gets half a cup of dry food a day & 200g of home made Barf. 1 meaty raw bone mid morning. He gets lots of exercise as well. So Maple's previous owners haven't done her nor you any favours but she is in caring hands now :) Everything is better today, he seem to have forgotten about yesterday's nightmare ! He seems to respect me more now, when i brought him for walks today he heeled soooo much better. I'm looking at him struggling with a pig's ear. soooo funny and adorable. pig ears arent too fatty i hope ! he just looked too hungry ! ): going to bring him out for another walk soon, thought he could use a snack before. Hopefully he gets more active so he can remain lean so i can watch him enjoy all the food :D Its nice to know my dog isnt abnormal for snapping at the vet, I felt so sad when he had to be treated like a bad dog when he is soooo sweet at home. ): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarabelle Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 wow what a stressful beginning for you! Maple is gorgeous though and I'm sure you will get everything sorted out soon! Mum's dog Ninja took a snap at the vet last time he went in as well - he is getting old and grumpy now and is another one that starts to tremble before you even get in the vet office. Sounds like your pup is in a much better home now - I'm sure you will develop a strong bond, and once he starts bouncing off the walls you might think back on the quiet stage with longing :laugh: If that happens.. I will get him back to a fatty again. HAHAHA . I'm kidding. I want to go on jogs with him, without him panting and breathing so heavily like he's going to pass out anytime. hahaha . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) Everything is better today, he seem to have forgotten about yesterday's nightmare ! He seems to respect me more now, when i brought him for walks today he heeled soooo much better. I'm looking at him struggling with a pig's ear. soooo funny and adorable. pig ears arent too fatty i hope ! he just looked too hungry ! ): going to bring him out for another walk soon, thought he could use a snack before. Hopefully he gets more active so he can remain lean so i can watch him enjoy all the food :D Its nice to know my dog isnt abnormal for snapping at the vet, I felt so sad when he had to be treated like a bad dog when he is soooo sweet at home. ): Pigs ears are VERY fatty. I think you need to restrict all treats until he's lost the weight you want him to. Make sure you warn any vet you take him to that he will snap. That way he can be muzzled and you can all relax. Edited September 10, 2013 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 If he's pestering you for treats give him carrots to chew on. He'll either eat them and leave you alone or be so turned off with repeatedly being offered carrots he'll stop :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentchild Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Pumpkin is also a good filler to give with his food, it helps fill them up without adding fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 he'll be fine with reduced food - his tummy will get used to a lesser quantity very quickly . As you live in an apartment .. perhaps experimenting with things to 'fill him up' may not be a good plan .. in case of upsets . Whole carrots and /or apples once a day are a good chew treat :) The weight loss will be gradual ... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarabelle Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 I just gave him half a carrot and he doesn't seem to like it very much ): he'll chew on it then give up and abandon it, and then after awhile he'll know that he haven't got a choice so go back to gnawing on it ! haha . Here's a pic ! http://imgur.com/GDgyFxI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Oh cute :) Give him time with the carrot ( and other fruit and veg) and stick to your guns. If he's REALLY hungry he'll eat it, if not, that's fine, he can wait for his next scheduled feed. My 3 all quite like carrots and apples and will happily snack on them if there's nothing else on offer but if they had a choice of them or something more meat-based they'd go for the meaty one every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Oh cute photo of Maple doing her very best impression of " the biggest loser" LOL.. She will get used to it. Don't fall for those gorgeous eye 's saying " I am starving, give me a pigs ear ". All thats on the treats menu are a piece of apple or carrot. LOL. Mashed pumpkin is a good low cal filler also :) Her weight loss will take time & you will have to be vigilant . But her long term health will benefit big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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