2 Year Old Toddler Killed In Deniliquin

[Sabbath]

Thats what our local news reported him as ...

Their exact words. Not mine. So if you have an issue please take it up with them BJ.

Quite. But you're supposed to know more about dogs than a terrible news report. Do NOT pretend that the reason you said that was because it was reported as such. If you read this thread, which I assume you did seeing as you are commenting, you know that it was not an APBT.

[Pjrt]

There is a picture of the dog in this article.

picture of dog here

[Pockets]

Poor child and poor grandmother....a very tragic incident that will haunt them all forever.....thought are with them all ....

10 minutes, my heart just breaks for what that Grandmother went through

[Pheebs]

How in dog's name is this a Pitbull?

(Should clarify, I sourced this pic from the owner's FB page - where he's quite vocally expressing himself publically on his wall. )

The dogs name is Kingston - his most recent FB status is

"You both are up there, I know you both are! King everyone makes mistakes, an I'm sorry.. I just can't accept this.. Ohh mans please forgive me"

Speechless. That poor, sweet little boy.

Edit" July 24, when a friend had a dig at him in jest saying "betcha Kingston gets a chic b4 you" his reply was "He does, except he eats them lol!". Not entirely sure what that's supposed to mean...?

Edited August 5, 2013 by Pheebs

[GardenGnome]

So, so sad for this family. How absolutely devastating for them. They will be in my thoughts

[*kirty*]

Looks like a Neo cross.

[Tara and Sam]

Just so so so sad for all involved

heartbreaking

R.I.P Deeon

[Dame Aussie]

It was our local channel 7 tv news reported him as an American pitbull x Mastiff at 57 kilo. Please don't shoot the messenger. Being totally unexperienced with either breed.

Sorry I wasn't meaning to :) I just hope they realise their error.

I also thought it looked like a Neo cross.

[melzawelza]

Terrible, terrible... so heartbreaking. Been thinking about this a lot today. As more of the story comes out we start to see some of the landmarks of the key contributing factors to fatal dog attacks. That poor child and family. Ten minutes is an incredibly sustained attack.

If it's true that the media is now calling this dog a Pit Bull then I don't know what to say. The dog weighs much more than double what an average APBT would weigh. I just hope there are now no knee-jerk legislative reactions from this.

[sandgrubber]

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A dog of a certain size and strength always has the potential to kill a small child...whether the owner or a parent is present or not. Previous history, behaviour, training etc is all secondary. The owner and the parent have made a tragic mistake, one that will be repeated again and again and again.

We have had situations where people with big dogs brought them near my young kids,

If those factors were 'secondary', then every big dog would 'kill' or seriously attack. The evidence is that most don't.

Go look at the scientific studies.

Studies looking into aggressive behaviours in dogs of all sizes & breeds & mixed breeds at the University of Cordoba found that human factors in what people did or did not do, in managing and training their dogs, was the key factor. Their conclusion was that people need to socialize & train their dogs. But they acknowledged some could have issues like neurological problems.

One factor that came out as more linked with development of aggression... was small size. Yes, small size. Because owners didn't see the necessity to train them & also because they are more likely to be pampered & spoiled. Yet small size dogs can do serious harm to the statistically most vulnerable age bracket.... babies, toddlers & young children. Because the child's face is on a level with the dog & their finer skin is very easily injured.

Mita, could you please provide a fuller reference for this study. I tried looking it up, but it's pretty hopeless to find a paper just knowing the University name. The closest I came was a paper based on an owner survey using an opportunistic sampling strategy. This came out putting breed very high in the list of factors correlated with aggression.

See

http://www.medwelljo...aa.2009.336.342

If this is the study you're citing, its methods are weak. It has been widely picked up by media, but I don't think the results have been accurately reported.

Edited August 5, 2013 by sandgrubber

[Alkhe]

A very sensible article here. So tragic.

http://www.savingpets.com.au/2013/08/dog-attack-fatality-nsw/

I was going to post this too - a really great response, I think.

it's just a devastating story. RIP little boy.

[Loving my Oldies]

http://www.savingpets.com.au/2013/08/dog-attack-fatality-nsw/

Brilliant. Compassionate, understanding, blame free, wise.

[~Anne~]

All this discussion and debate about dog aggression and all I can think of is that poor family and how horrific it must have been.

I'm officially getting old

This exactly.

The absolute horror they have witnessed is unimaginable and still makes me feel sick.

[WreckitWhippet]

IF that dog was used for hunting pigs , under the CAA was already considered to be a dangerous and should have been kept in a child proof enclosure.

Playing devils advocate here, but had the owner followed the law, this tragedy would not have occurred.

If the owner did use that dog for hunting and it can be proven, he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Having said the above, I believe that the dog probably fits well with the bite stat research, as does the child. Young child under seven, entire male dog , kept chained.

Once again the public will learn nothing from this, it will become another dog witch hunt, introduce some more useless legislation.

[espinay2]

How does anyone ever move on from this.

That has been in my head all day. The horror of being in the centre of a dog attack resulting in the death of a tiny child. In space of a few minutes, so many lives changed and damaged forever.

This is how one family moved on from it: http://www.liamjperkfoundation.org/

[BlackJaq]

IF that dog was used for hunting pigs , under the CAA was already considered to be a dangerous and should have been kept in a child proof enclosure.

Playing devils advocate here, but had the owner followed the law, this tragedy would not have occurred.

If the owner did use that dog for hunting and it can be proven, he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Having said the above, I believe that the dog probably fits well with the bite stat research, as does the child. Young child under seven, entire male dog , kept chained.

Once again the public will learn nothing from this, it will become another dog witch hunt, introduce some more useless legislation.

I agree I'd forgotten that dogs used to hunt large game are considered dangerous anyway. How is it the powers that be are forgetting their own legislation though?

Obviously the owner is aware of this or he would not be emphasizing how this dog was "a family pet" when it clearly wasn't.

[BC Crazy]

Thats what our local news reported him as ...

Their exact words. Not mine. So if you have an issue please take it up with them BJ.

Quite. But you're supposed to know more about dogs than a terrible news report. Do NOT pretend that the reason you said that was because it was reported as such. If you read this thread, which I assume you did seeing as you are commenting, you know that it was not an APBT.

That's hilarious... considering I would NOT be able to distinguish between all the different Bull type breeds of dogs by viewing them if I tried. Know me well obviously. NOT.

Pretend !! ... You couldn't be any more wrong about me if you tried. Please show some respect for the grieving family that have just lost their little boy instead of grinding away

with your axe behind some hinder personal agenda you may have. I am someone along with many other of this forum I suspect that is just trying to raise more community awareness so this

tragedy may not occur quite as frequently & save maybe even one other family the sheer horror of it's consequences.

The fact that ANY dog, no matter what the BREED with the right buttons pushed could turn on a child. There are some dogs that just shouldn't be around children. All dogs should be supervised

by a capable adult when they are in the company of children.

[Clyde]

IF that dog was used for hunting pigs , under the CAA was already considered to be a dangerous and should have been kept in a child proof enclosure.

Playing devils advocate here, but had the owner followed the law, this tragedy would not have occurred.

If the owner did use that dog for hunting and it can be proven, he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Having said the above, I believe that the dog probably fits well with the bite stat research, as does the child. Young child under seven, entire male dog , kept chained.

Once again the public will learn nothing from this, it will become another dog witch hunt, introduce some more useless legislation.

I agree I'd forgotten that dogs used to hunt large game are considered dangerous anyway. How is it the powers that be are forgetting their own legislation though?

Obviously the owner is aware of this or he would not be emphasizing how this dog was "a family pet" when it clearly wasn't.

I grew up with hunting dogs on chains, they were considered our pets as well. I don't believe that piggers cannot also be good family pets. My brother still has pigging dogs and children with no problems.

My heart goes out to the the family. This is something no parent should have to go through, just so tragic I can't stop thinking about the horror that toddler went through, it's beyond words

[BlackJaq]

IF that dog was used for hunting pigs , under the CAA was already considered to be a dangerous and should have been kept in a child proof enclosure.

Playing devils advocate here, but had the owner followed the law, this tragedy would not have occurred.

If the owner did use that dog for hunting and it can be proven, he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Having said the above, I believe that the dog probably fits well with the bite stat research, as does the child. Young child under seven, entire male dog , kept chained.

Once again the public will learn nothing from this, it will become another dog witch hunt, introduce some more useless legislation.

I agree I'd forgotten that dogs used to hunt large game are considered dangerous anyway. How is it the powers that be are forgetting their own legislation though?

Obviously the owner is aware of this or he would not be emphasizing how this dog was "a family pet" when it clearly wasn't.

I grew up with hunting dogs on chains, they were considered our pets as well. I don't believe that piggers cannot also be good family pets. My brother still has pigging dogs and children with no problems.

My heart goes out to the the family. This is something no parent should have to go through, just so tragic I can't stop thinking about the horror that toddler went through, it's beyond words

I guess I don't have any statistics to back up my opinion, but there seem to be an awful lot of fatal incidents with toddlers and working pig dogs in Australia. I would be very reluctant to have a working pig dog loose around children this young. I know that prey drive and human aggression are two very different things but in my experience, very young toddlers can often elicit a prey response from dogs, and not necessarily just pig dogs either.

I would also be reluctant to let dog loose around a very young child like this if the dog was usually kept chained. Chained dogs also feature prominently in bite stats I have seen.

Anyway, personally I don't keep my hunting dog, whom I also consider a pet, chained up out back (she only hunts rabbits and foxes btw) and if we ever end up having kids she will be crated inside.

[melzawelza]

IF that dog was used for hunting pigs , under the CAA was already considered to be a dangerous and should have been kept in a child proof enclosure.

Playing devils advocate here, but had the owner followed the law, this tragedy would not have occurred.

If the owner did use that dog for hunting and it can be proven, he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Having said the above, I believe that the dog probably fits well with the bite stat research, as does the child. Young child under seven, entire male dog , kept chained.

Once again the public will learn nothing from this, it will become another dog witch hunt, introduce some more useless legislation.

I agree I'd forgotten that dogs used to hunt large game are considered dangerous anyway. How is it the powers that be are forgetting their own legislation though?

Obviously the owner is aware of this or he would not be emphasizing how this dog was "a family pet" when it clearly wasn't.

I grew up with hunting dogs on chains, they were considered our pets as well. I don't believe that piggers cannot also be good family pets. My brother still has pigging dogs and children with no problems.

My heart goes out to the the family. This is something no parent should have to go through, just so tragic I can't stop thinking about the horror that toddler went through, it's beyond words

I guess I don't have any statistics to back up my opinion, but there seem to be an awful lot of fatal incidents with toddlers and working pig dogs in Australia. I would be very reluctant to have a working pig dog loose around children this young. I know that prey drive and human aggression are two very different things but in my experience, very young toddlers can often elicit a prey response from dogs, and not necessarily just pig dogs either.

I don't have official stats for this as I'm going off what was said by a prior rep of the NSW State Government at the Australian Institute of Animal Management conference last year.

In a discussion about BSL a man from some hunting association spoke up and said the 'elephant in the room' that no one was talking about was about pigging dogs that are inadequately kept and socialised by their brain dead owners. He was very passionate about this, and careful to point out that many hunters use dogs for pigging in a responsible way, but according to him there is a whole subculture that simply do not ensure that their dogs are well trained and socialised and pair that with the work they do - their dogs can be a real danger.

The woman who was on the BSL panel that was working at the Gov at the time BSL was brought responded that the last 3 fatalities in NSW were by pigging dogs. I guess this one makes it four if her comment was correct.