gwp4me Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Poor child I wish they'd report the whole story including the dog's background and the events leading up to the attack. So sad for all involved. Dog owners should be careful if their dogs are not used to toddlers, who have a habit of intimidating dogs by chasing after them with high pitched/squeaky voices, pulling ears, poking eyes, etc. The dog owners should make sure no harm comes to their pets (like PTSs), and don't let them get into a situation where they are being harrassed and scared by toddlers, then having to try and defend themselves. Supervision is the go, be there with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pailin Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 This is very sad. The incident should not have occurred, it doesn't matter about breed, size of dog etc. Was the dog properly contained? Was the child being supervised? etc. Shocking story. Poor little boy There is NO place for aggressive dogs in our society and owners of dogs that attack should be sent to jail. Depending on context of course. For example: Poor child I wish they'd report the whole story including the dog's background and the events leading up to the attack. yes. Why? So we can excuse the dog and blame the parents for not supervising the toddler? I am almost 70. I have a 2yo grandson. This story is horrific. I have also owned a dog (a dalmation) that attacked. My dog was on lead and the boy attacked was on a skateboard. My dog was given its wings the next day. The boy's photo featured in the local paper that week under the heading Another Dog Attack. I have also lived next door to a couple of large dogs that were especially trained as guard dogs to protect the houseowners' marijhuana crop. My 8yo son went over the fence to retrieve a ball and he was attacked. Not seriously thankfully. I love dogs. Our society must be a safe one for children to grow up. I'm glad your child wasn't hurt seriously, however.... In this situation, I would blame the child for poor judgement and yourself for poor parenting. You shouldn't let your child trespass, especially if you KNOW your neighbours are drug users and have dangerous dogs.....the dog was just doing what dogs do in that situation. It is the job of parents to make sure their children don't come into harms way. Yes I do and did accept responsibility for my parenting. My heart was still thumping hours later. However 8yo's don't always do as they are told, and 8yo's are not supervised 24/7 They often walk to school alone and kick their footballs in the street. The neighbours should not have had aggressive dogs. My dog is not aggressive but there is every chance she could bite an intruder entering our yard without permission. I don't know the dogs in question but even a dog who is not "aggressive" can be yard protective and bite as a result... Your son should NOT have entered someone else's property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 How dreadfully sad for the little boy and the family. Why? So we can excuse the dog and blame the parents for not supervising the toddler? No, so the public has some idea what to avoid to prevent future attacks. This dog was registered and had no record of aggression. Perhaps he perceived the child (who did not live there) as being an intruder. Who knows? And no one will ever know, which is also very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawnim Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 As more information comes to light about this particular case I admit that my earlier comments may not be applicable. I did jump the gun. (mea culpa) However I am so tired of aggressive dogs and people who think it's okay to own them, but these comments belong elsewhere. That poor child. I will now retire from this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Such a tragedy for all concerned The poor little boy who lost his life in what would of been I can only speculate, nothing short of sheer terror. The poor grandmother who would of been frantically trying to stop the dog but injured the whole horrific situation & the dog that for what ever reason, apparently out of character,I don't know, has a brain snap.... My sympathies & condolences to the poor family. Edited August 5, 2013 by BC Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverStar-Aura Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Such a horrible thing to have happen, but it's another example of a person (70 year old woman) owning a completely unsuitable breed. There was NO WAY she'd be able to pull the dog away given her age and the size of the dog (mastiff cross) and saying that the attack was 'uncharacteristic to the dog' is not an excuse. The poor family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyTheHuman Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Such a tragedy for all concerned The poor little boy who lost his life in what would of been I can only speculate, nothing short of sheer terror. The poor grandmother who would of been frantically trying to stop the dog but injured the whole horrific situation & the dog that for what ever reason, apparently out of character,I don't know, has a brain snap.... My sympathies & condolences to the poor family. A dog of a certain size and strength always has the potential to kill a small child...whether the owner or a parent is present or not. Previous history, behaviour, training etc is all secondary. The owner and the parent have made a tragic mistake, one that will be repeated again and again and again. We have had situations where people with big dogs brought them near my young kids, i put a stop to it, occasionally causing a few scenes where dog owner friends and family claim i am making a big deal...f. them...i am not taking those typs of risks with my kids safety. Other can choose to, i think its stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Poor little fellow, what a horrific way to go. If owners understood more abt canine behaviour and what makes a dog tick maybe this wouldn't happen so often. Can't see anything good coming from this in terms of BSL either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 The owner of the dog was a 24 year old man, not the 70 year old woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
german_shep_fan Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Such a tragedy for all concerned The poor little boy who lost his life in what would of been I can only speculate, nothing short of sheer terror. The poor grandmother who would of been frantically trying to stop the dog but injured the whole horrific situation & the dog that for what ever reason, apparently out of character,I don't know, has a brain snap.... My sympathies & condolences to the poor family. A dog of a certain size and strength always has the potential to kill a small child...whether the owner or a parent is present or not. Previous history, behaviour, training etc is all secondary. The owner and the parent have made a tragic mistake, one that will be repeated again and again and again. We have had situations where people with big dogs brought them near my young kids, i put a stop to it, occasionally causing a few scenes where dog owner friends and family claim i am making a big deal...f. them...i am not taking those typs of risks with my kids safety. Other can choose to, i think its stupid. Then I guess you haven't heard the story of the little Pom who killed its owners baby? All dogs can be dangerous in the wrong hands. I would be wary of all equally, not just 'the big mean dogs'. Parents like this really rub me the wrong the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverStar-Aura Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The owner of the dog was a 24 year old man, not the 70 year old woman. Oh. Both articles referred to in the thread mention nothing about a 24 year old man at all and because they said the boy and mother were visiting their 70 year old grandmother, I assumed it was her dog. Especially as she was the one trying to rescue the poor child. If the dog was owned by a young man I apologise for my assumption, but again, it's a silly choice to leave the dog in the care of someone else, especially a 70 year old woman when she's baby-sitting her grandchild. She should never have been put in that position -- why bring the dog too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I assume the grandmother had come to the home where the dog & child lived? It is hard to imagine anything more completely devastating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I didn't see anything in the articles about a 24 year old man. Most people trying to pull a dog off during a dog attack are unsuccessful, and many are bitten. So, older people must now own small dogs only? Yes? That will prevent dog attacks? Yes? Oh don't forget the foxie who killed a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbi Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Just heartbreaking, my thoughts are with the little boys family No winners in these situations, the information about children and dogs just isn't getting to where it needs to go unfortunately. All our dogs are going to suffer if these disasters keep occurring and society starts to demonise dogs rather than irresponsible owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The issue with supervision is that people assume that by being physically present nothing will happen. Properly supervising a child means doing nothing else - no phone, no cooking, no TV, no talking, and knowing dog behaviour to a T. I don't know any parent that can do that... Yes, dogs need to be supervised around children, but that is the safety net only. Dogs that don't have rock solid temperaments, great bite inhibition and great socialization should be physically separated from kids when they visit (locked room or crate where a child can't accidentally open it) is the only safe option. Dogs that don't have all of these characteristics shouldn't live with children at all (dons flame suit here). I think sometimes people are embarrassed to say "my dog isn't great with kids". They get accused of being a bad owner, not socialising their dog (socialising cures all ills, don't you know?) etc. With regards to size, of course powerful dogs have a greater ability to harm children. Taller dogs (where their mouth reaches the child's face) have a greater chance of hurting a child too. I don't know why people get so defensive about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stellnme Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Apparently the 24 year old was a cousin. This is the worst nightmare and as a mother and grandmother, I can not imagine anything more horrifying than trying to stop a dog attacking a small child. No matter what the background story is, things happen in life and this is one of the most tragic things that can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverStar-Aura Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I didn't see anything in the articles about a 24 year old man. Most people trying to pull a dog off during a dog attack are unsuccessful, and many are bitten. So, older people must now own small dogs only? Yes? That will prevent dog attacks? Yes? Oh don't forget the foxie who killed a child. I'm not trying to say that older people can't own large dogs (they're generally the most loveable sooks!) but more care really needs to be taken with kids and dogs -- ALL dogs. I guess families become far too complacent that 'oh my dog wouldn't hurt an ant' and bam! This is what happens. I guess I was trying to say that anyone trying to pull an attacking mastiff off a child would be unsuccessful, and a 70 year old woman would have far less chance of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I 100% agree with what Megan said. Supervision is not the only factor Poor baby and poor family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Such a tragedy for all concerned The poor little boy who lost his life in what would of been I can only speculate, nothing short of sheer terror. The poor grandmother who would of been frantically trying to stop the dog but injured the whole horrific situation & the dog that for what ever reason, apparently out of character,I don't know, has a brain snap.... My sympathies & condolences to the poor family. A dog of a certain size and strength always has the potential to kill a small child...whether the owner or a parent is present or not. Previous history, behaviour, training etc is all secondary. The owner and the parent have made a tragic mistake, one that will be repeated again and again and again. We have had situations where people with big dogs brought them near my young kids, i put a stop to it, occasionally causing a few scenes where dog owner friends and family claim i am making a big deal...f. them...i am not taking those typs of risks with my kids safety. Other can choose to, i think its stupid. Then I guess you haven't heard the story of the little Pom who killed its owners baby? All dogs can be dangerous in the wrong hands. I would be wary of all equally, not just 'the big mean dogs'. Parents like this really rub me the wrong the way Yes, german shep fan. 100% agree with you.... Any dog no matter what size, breed etc are capable of having a brain snap. All dogs should be under adult supervision when children are present & if not able to be supervised then dogs should be crated etc. With no access to kids. The little boy in question was only 2 after all. It only takes a split second for something as horrific as this to occur. My sympathies are with this family, the mum & all concerned though as you wouldn't wish this tragedy upon anyone Edited August 5, 2013 by BC Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyTheHuman Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I didint say big ones only...but at a certain size the RISK changes. Maybe that size it bigger than a westie, or a kelpie or a rotty...i dont know what the rule is or should be...i use my own judgement. But leaving a kid the sized a 2 yo near a dog with enough power to kill a pig is dumb...i was reffering this type of thing, more than the case on the new specifically...i dont know what dog they had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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