minimax Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yes I am aware that the K/D can be purchased on the net however it is supposedly meant to be a diet prescribed or recommended by a vet for a particular condition. Okay so what you are saying is "Experience has taught me that there is no one answer as to the "right" diet for a dog." but feed Hills K/D because you have found it good??? I haven't recommended a true Raw diet as I don't think that it would be good based on the required protein levels. So I think you are being ridiculous by stating I am waxing lyrical about Raw to the OP. However I am glad you are happy feeding a food with a major component of Pig fat and liver flavouring :) I just thought it better to let the OP know what was in the food you are recommending. This is meant to be a forum where people can contribute with different views on a topic, not get frustrated because someone has a view that differs from your own. I wouldn't care if it was made from crushed Barbie dolls if it prevents my dog's kidney condition from deteriorating. I've been a forum member here long enough (since 2004) to know what its aims are and fully acknowledge that there will be many views different to mine. You are naturally entitled to your view. My point is that where people are seeking practical help, its good if people focus on providing it. My mistake I had hoped that the link I provided would help the OP to easily find out what foods would match the desired dietary requirements - sorry that this was so detrimental to the process of finding what is out there in the market - go figure?? Did you even read the original post? They specifically asked for recommendations and didn't want to have to research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yes I am aware that the K/D can be purchased on the net however it is supposedly meant to be a diet prescribed or recommended by a vet for a particular condition. Okay so what you are saying is "Experience has taught me that there is no one answer as to the "right" diet for a dog." but feed Hills K/D because you have found it good??? I haven't recommended a true Raw diet as I don't think that it would be good based on the required protein levels. So I think you are being ridiculous by stating I am waxing lyrical about Raw to the OP. However I am glad you are happy feeding a food with a major component of Pig fat and liver flavouring :) I just thought it better to let the OP know what was in the food you are recommending. This is meant to be a forum where people can contribute with different views on a topic, not get frustrated because someone has a view that differs from your own. I wouldn't care if it was made from crushed Barbie dolls if it prevents my dog's kidney condition from deteriorating. I've been a forum member here long enough (since 2004) to know what its aims are and fully acknowledge that there will be many views different to mine. You are naturally entitled to your view. My point is that where people are seeking practical help, its good if people focus on providing it. My mistake I had hoped that the link I provided would help the OP to easily find out what foods would match the desired dietary requirements - sorry that this was so detrimental to the process of finding what is out there in the market - go figure?? Did you even read the original post? They specifically asked for recommendations and didn't want to have to research. ...surprise surprise Minimax. I responded to the OP as no one else had after a couple of hours. I hoped to offer a link that would short cut the hours of research! But your post has been truly helpful. Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Also might be useful to point out the link is to a US site and might not actually cover Australian made foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayla1 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Have a good look through this site http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/ they have most dry foods listed and will give you the ingredients, the protein fat etc %s and an overall rating. Check out the online shops that carry the lesser known brands so you can get an idea of what is available here in Australia. eg http://www.pookinuk.com.au/index.php/for-dogs.html this way you can make a short list and go from there. At least this way you can avoid crap like Hills. Another solution is to explore making up your own barf that adheres to the protein/fat %s you require. Don't be too quick to write off all Hills food as crap. The prescription range helps a lot of dogs with specific conditions. :) Awesome! Yonjuro, I started looking through Pookinuk but considering the long list of foods there I thought it would be quicker to ask the knowledgable people on here instead! kayla1, no, the vet did not say to follow a kidney diet, only to reduce the protein in his food. Also, being an older dog who has had pancreatitis in the past, I need to keep it low fat too (plus trying to keep him lean). Thank you all for narrowing it down for me. I will look at Eukanuba Renal Plus and Hills K/D and L/D. This has been a huge help. While we are on the subject, are there any yummy treats that follow my requirements? That's good. I'm not sure about treats - I was searching for kidney safe treats not long ago but couldn't find much. Maybe there are some dog (or human) biscuits from the supermarket that are low in protein and fat, or perhaps homemade dog cookies. Also other things like vegies and fruit, if he likes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lils mum Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I wasn't planning to buy into this, but thought that it's probably worth mentioning that I too have had great success with a very sick dog when using 'golden nuggets' from Hills. Several years ago my dog had fulminating liver failure of unknown origin. She was losing weight at the rate of knots, and nothing was palatable for more than a day. Surgery to find a diagnosis was out of the question due to her rapidly failing health - I didn't want to kill her with surgery when her platelets were so diminished, etc. I tried Hills L/D - now, I'm a raw feeding owner - always. but I was desperate. My old girl found that palatable, and she improved immensely - I also used alternative additions such as milk thistle and SAMe. She lived an apparently healthy and normal life for another two years, when once again she started to show signs of inappetance and we found a very large tumour on her liver with u/s. So - not a commercial feeder at all. But would not ever say it's not worth a try for certain situations. I believe that the L/D was part of the extra 2 years we had with that wonderful old girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I wasn't planning to buy into this, but thought that it's probably worth mentioning that I too have had great success with a very sick dog when using 'golden nuggets' from Hills.. A friend of mine swears the Hills B/D did wonders for her increasingly senile old boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 My dog was supposed to die a year and a half ago. Hills Prescription food has helped her heaps. I also thought Hills was crap food prior to this and this has taught me that you feed what the dog needs not what your ego thinks you should be feeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/low-protein-dog-foods/ For those that want to consider making their own kidney specific foods here are some recipes; Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. - Apologies to the OP for the thread drift as these foods are not dry. Chicken and Potato Low Protein, Low phosphorus, High Potassium, Low Sodium 1/4 cup cooked chicken breast (72 grams) 3 cups potatoes boiled in skin (369 grams) 2 tablespoons chicken fat (28 grams) 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets (600 mg calcium) 1/2 multiple vitamin mineral tablet provides 689 kcalories, 18.9 g protein, 26.8 g fat supports caloric needs of 21 to 22 pound dog provides phosphorus 45%, potassium 301%, sodium 54% of a dog's daily needs. To feed this diet with a normal amount of phosphorus substitute 3 grams bone meal powder for the 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets Beef and Potato Low Protein, Low phosphorus, High Potassium, Low Sodium 2 ounces (raw weight) lean ground beef, cooked (57 grams) 3 cups potatoes boiled in skin (369 grams) 2 tablespoons chicken fat (28 grams) 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets (600 mg calcium) 1/2 multiple vitamin-mineral tablet provides 737 kcalories, 18.6 g protein, 32.5 g fat supports caloric needs of 23 to 24 pound dog provides phosphorus 43%, potassium 293%, sodium 54% of a dog's daily needs. To feed this diet with a normal amount of phosphorus substitute 3 grams bone meal powder for the 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets Beef and Tapioca Low Protein, Low phosphorus, Low Potassium, Low Sodium 4 ounces (raw weight) lean ground beef, cooked (114 grams) 2 cups tapioca, cooked, (125 g dry before cooking) 2 tablespoons chicken fat (28 grams) 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets (600 mg calcium) 1/2 multiple vitamin-mineral tablet provides 845 kcalories, 19.9 g protein, 37.2 g fat supports caloric needs of 28 pound dog provides phosphorus 18%, potassium 29%, sodium 55% of a dog's daily needs. To feed this diet with a normal amount of phosphorus substitute 4 to 5 grams bone meal powder for the 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets Chicken and Tapioca Low Protein, Low phosphorus, Low Potassium, Low Sodium 1/2 cup cooked chicken breast (143 grams) 2 cups tapioca, cooked, (125 g dry before cooking) 2 tablespoons chicken fat (28 grams) 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets (600 mg calcium) 1/2 multiple vitamin-mineral tablet provides 763 kcalories, 20.8 g protein, 27.3 g fat supports caloric needs of 24 to 25 pound dog provides phosphorus 20%, potassium 22%, sodium 55% of a dog's daily needs. To feed this diet with a normal amount of phosphorus substitute 5 grams bone meal powder for the 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets Eggs and Rice Low Protein, Low phosphorus, Low Potassium, Normal Sodium 1 cooked whole egg, chicken 2 cups cooked rice, white polished, long-grain (320grams) 1 tablespoon chicken fat (14 grams) 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets (600 mg calcium) 1/2 multiple vitamin-mineral tablet provides 721 kcalories, 15.2 g protein, 31.4 g fat supports caloric needs of 23 pound dog provides phosphorus 40%, potassium 30%, sodium 90% of a dog's daily needs. To feed this diet with a normal amount of phosphorus substitute 3 grams bone meal powder for the 1 1/2 calcium carbonate tablets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. That counts you out :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. That counts you out :laugh: How very lame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. That counts you out :laugh: how true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 ahhh the lynching mob is almost complete now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayla1 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/low-protein-dog-foods/ For those that want to consider making their own kidney specific foods here are some recipes; Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. - Apologies to the OP for the thread drift as these foods are not dry. The thing that opened my mind was actually having a dog diagnosed with kidney failure. Beware in promoting alternative homemade diets to those with dogs that have kidney disease. It is a very serious condition and people should not attempt to try different recipes without consulting their vet first. Edited July 17, 2013 by kayla1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. http://www.dogfoodad...tein-dog-foods/ For those that want to consider making their own kidney specific foods here are some recipes; Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. - Apologies to the OP for the thread drift as these foods are not dry. I note all ingredients in the recipes are cooked. I wonder if the cooking part is essential for some reason. ???? Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. Really? What do you call bone meal? Edited July 17, 2013 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/low-protein-dog-foods/ For those that want to consider making their own kidney specific foods here are some recipes; Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. - Apologies to the OP for the thread drift as these foods are not dry. The thing that opened my mind was actually having a dog diagnosed with kidney failure. Beware in promoting alternative homemade diets to those with dogs that have kidney disease. It is a very serious condition and people should not attempt to try different recipes without consulting their vet first. I agree with you the vet should be consulted for sure. If my dog had such an issue I would be researching everything I could fine to ensure a happy and healthy life. If Hills K/D came up as the best food for the condition I would 100% be feeding that. If I found a better way regardless of cost I would be taking the recipe in to the vet and discuss. The OP said something along lines that her dog didn't have kidney disease. The vet believes that the higher protein foods were putting at bit of strain on her dogs kidneys but didn't need a specific kidney disease diet. I must admit I am a little unsure as to why a dry food is being sort. I would have thought the water in a wet food would have been valuable in helping process the foods. I believe that even Hills don't recommend their prescription diets for dogs that don't require such a specific diet, so I would be hesitant to recommend such a diet for a dog that may not need it - regardless of my personal opinions of the quality of food used in their foods. I truly believe that one of the great things about a forum or questions such as these is that you get to hear different views, some you might agree with and others not, as seems to be the case with a few usual suspects that attack anything I might suggest regarding food. My vet, many years ago suggested my dog go on Hills canned w/d for crystals and stones and weight (I think it was WD I cant recall exactly it may have been RD but that is not crux of the issue anyway) . He also said that it was the easy solution, however he also suggested that if I was prepared to do my research and go to all the hassle of preparing the food, I would get a better, non-processed food that would be better for my dog. And this was coming from a Hills sponsored vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. http://www.dogfoodad...tein-dog-foods/ For those that want to consider making their own kidney specific foods here are some recipes; Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. - Apologies to the OP for the thread drift as these foods are not dry. I note all ingredients in the recipes are cooked. I wonder if the cooking part is essential for some reason. ???? ...Really! Wow, how silly of me :laugh: Look HW, I didn't recommend raw for this person so get off that merry-go-round! Edited July 17, 2013 by Yonjuro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) ...Really! Wow, how silly of me :laugh: Look HW, I didn't recommend raw for this person so get off that merry-go-round! Trying shedding the persecution complex. I'm not out to lynch you. I'm not being a smart arse.. its a genuine question. Why cook everything??? Edited July 17, 2013 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. http://www.dogfoodad...tein-dog-foods/ For those that want to consider making their own kidney specific foods here are some recipes; Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. - Apologies to the OP for the thread drift as these foods are not dry. I note all ingredients in the recipes are cooked. I wonder if the cooking part is essential for some reason. ???? Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. Really? What do you call bone meal? erm...crushed up bone :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Why cook everything??? I looked at that , and thought that there are lots of folks who dislike feeding/keeping raw food .. esp in countries where there are salmonella risks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 For those with open minds, here is an article on foods for kidney issues. http://www.dogfoodad...tein-dog-foods/ For those that want to consider making their own kidney specific foods here are some recipes; Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. - Apologies to the OP for the thread drift as these foods are not dry. I note all ingredients in the recipes are cooked. I wonder if the cooking part is essential for some reason. ???? Beware though that these recipes contain no floor scraps, by products or flavour enhancers. Really? What do you call bone meal? erm...crushed up bone :laugh: and hooves & horns ..... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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