persephone Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 When we had an OES ..I used to spend a Looong time grooming/clipping her ..and she used to not worry . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I want to see photos taken two weeks or a month later. Does that stuff wash out? Do the dogs spend months getting their coats back to normal after an hour of glory? Personally, I don't get it. I don't think it's especially cruel, but it seems more like a stunt than an art or craft. And the dogs look silly. There's a lot I don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) Takes me well over 2 hours to groom Toby (Std Poodle) just in a pet clip! She lies there and enjoys it. If the dogs hated it, they would fidget and lie down - certainly not good candidates for this kind of grooming. I know someone who does this with her dogs and they are trained right from pups. They enjoy being groomed and love the attention they receive from the public. Edited June 21, 2013 by *kirty* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 1371809952[/url]' post='6232576']And I've seen standard poodles being groomed for easily 2 plus hours at a dog show. Absolutely! I groomed one today, took me three hours. In no way did he suffer He's a good boy and loves coming to see me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 The dogs generally have their coat clipped off and back to a normal pet clip straight after the competition. So some think because my breed takes two hours for an average wash and dry (even for pets - as do many breeds) we are 'abusing' them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Does he look like he wants you to feel sorry for him???? It's great. I can't work out what breed it is!!!! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I can't work out what breed it is!!!! :laugh: Can't you ? It's a ZOOLANDER :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascalmyshadow Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Do people here actually read posts properly. I have owned poodles for the last 15 years including standards, yeah they enjoyed the attention but I never made them stand on a table for more than an hour without a break. Dogs do what owners want they are an animal that likes to please still doesn't make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I have to recognise the talent and don't mind doing a little bit of basic fun colouring myself....but I am not a fan of the excessive competition creative. This is a little rescue dog I co-fostered last year. Lesson....don't give me a white foster dog lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zug Zug Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Skyefool - so funny and cute! Honestly there are worse things in the world than silly dog grooming. Ok it's not very servicable having an elephant on your butt, but they would be clipping it off within days. Probably the hardest thing is having the dog grow that much coat and keeping it groomed in the months leading up to the competition. If they have fun, and treat their dogs well during the process, good on them. I won't be doing it with my dog, but we're all different and if it is a hobby people enjoy, then I wish them and their dogs nothing but happiness doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Do people here actually read posts properly. I have owned poodles for the last 15 years including standards, yeah they enjoyed the attention but I never made them stand on a table for more than an hour without a break. Dogs do what owners want they are an animal that likes to please still doesn't make it right. Dogs tell you when they've had enough. Yesterdays STD happily stands on the table for the three hours to take to groom him. If for some reason I have to stop it takes longer to settle him back in the zone once back on the table, thus taking longer to groom him. I have other dogs who have shorter grooming times and wont tolerate more than 2 hours, others wont tolerate more than 1.5hrs. Once the dogs have told me it's enough then it's done. But as a grooming professional I can tell you that they cope just fine and aren't in any way uncomfortable. I have also been to Creative Grooming Workshops and while it's not my cup of tea these dogs are trained from pups or just naturally have the right temp to love all the attention. There are much worse lives these dogs can lead. efs Edited June 22, 2013 by Clyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascalmyshadow Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 If its being implied that I'm not professional then I'm quite upset. I have been a professional groomer for 18 years and the comfort of the dog is my number one priority, probably the reason so many clients tell me how happy their dogs are compared to when they've been to other groomers. If I have had to do a 2 or 3 hour groom on a dog then I work on the floor and let the dog sit or lie down for as much time as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 I just want to say that I'm not saying that it is abusive or anything like that, I just think that people who can think up these sorts of things are weird - mainly because I couldn't think up some of those things if you gave me a hundred lifetimes :laugh: . The article states that the grooming takes 2 hours & it's very possible that they have a break in that time. Anyway, I don't think that 2 hours is excessively long for a dog to be groomed, particularly if it is used to it. The name of the thread is the name of the article, not because I think it's taken too far. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 Does he look like he wants you to feel sorry for him???? It's great. I can't work out what breed it is!!!! :laugh: Not a kelpie, that's for sure :laugh: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Does he look like he wants you to feel sorry for him???? It's great. I can't work out what breed it is!!!! :laugh: Not a kelpie, that's for sure :laugh: . :laugh: Edited June 22, 2013 by mixeduppup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkrai Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Most of these dogs are groomed weekly, their hair maybe parted and coloured, but are dried and washed within an hour. Its no different to colouring human hair which Im sure most here have done or will do, when those elusive greys appear. Most of these dogs enjoy the whole process, I work with a dog that is groomed in Creative. Im not a fan of creative, dying etc, but am in awe of some of the creativeness some people can create with dye, ink, and scissors. Most people who slam creative groom, cannot do anything creative and cannot see outside of the box in grooming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smisch Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Most of these dogs are groomed weekly, their hair maybe parted and coloured, but are dried and washed within an hour. Its no different to colouring human hair which Im sure most here have done or will do, when those elusive greys appear. Most of these dogs enjoy the whole process, I work with a dog that is groomed in Creative. Im not a fan of creative, dying etc, but am in awe of some of the creativeness some people can create with dye, ink, and scissors. Most people who slam creative groom, cannot do anything creative and cannot see outside of the box in grooming. yep agree to this totally dogs who are used for ANY type of grooming comp are very much used to the process simply due to the hrs of prep work done in advance I know I spent about 2hrs with breaks starting to prepare my mini schnauzer for an upcoming comp and that was a wash, dry, deknot and trim and clip of hygiene areas as hemust have 6-8 weeks ggrowth on him. now its just the weekly task of washing, drying and combing him out.. I still have my second dog to get started on. bur basically before you even start thinking about grooming comps you must have a dog who is easy to please and groom as any kind of "rough housing" or handling can see you out the comp... even swearing or name calling your dog is frowned upon..so dogs that we use are bomb proof happy dogs who love the attention or atleast tolerate it and they do get toilet breaks during the comp. nothing inhumane about that dog the dye will eventually wash or grow out like people hair dye.. and this dog would be very much used to the process of being groomed and handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Does he look like he wants you to feel sorry for him???? It's great. That's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Where's the harm? There are far larger issues in dog welfare than the small number of dogs used in creative grooming competitions. I don't think anyone's suggesting this is a viable cut or colour on a pet. No different to creative hairdressing competitions from where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Except that people can choose to participate, the dogs don't get a choice. I don't think it's cruel, I just think they look ridiculous and don't think living animals should be used as a creative medium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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