gwp4me Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Just came across this news report: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-03/action-urged-to--shut-down-puppy-farms/4728674?section=tas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 What a wierd and disjointed article.. so hundreds of dogs have been dumped and they have identified puppy farms.. No mention of the conditions at puppy farms, other than they produce several hundred puppies a year... So are they implying all the dumped dogs came form those puppy farms or what? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Agree says nothing about anything - Means nothing except that there's a push on Australia wide for a licencing system and they pretend its about somehow stopping puppy farmers - how licensed doesn't mean they go away or stop breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inez Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) Just came across this news report: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-03/action-urged-to--shut-down-puppy-farms/4728674?section=tas absolutely, shut down every known commercial breeder along with every ANKC breeder and what have you got? only roughly http://leemakennels.com/blog/dogs-and-politics/where-do-puppies-come-from/ " If the 450,000 number is correct, then we have almost 250,000 dogs a year coming from an unknown source." to track down.With to date no possible idea how? They cant find, let alone control the 54.4% of the main source of puppies? Since there is no way, the only solution is to eliminate the ones that can be surely? Once they have plugged any possible production from the 29.5% that come from pet shops 15% (67,500 puppies) and ANKC breeders 14.5%. (65,364 puppies) a staggering total of 132,864 puppies will be removed to no longer deny the 250,000 puppies a year coming from an unknown source who really need to find homes. The only possible way to ensure these 250,000 puppies looking for new homes can find them and reduce their chances of ending up in rescue is shut down all tracable breeders and pet shop puppies so no more can they be the cause of these truly deserving puppies to end up in rescue instead they can be absorbed by the homes the tracable breeders puppies have to date been stealing from the puppies who really need those homes. Cant fail to applaud such a noble concept. Who cares that some people actually might want to choose their puppy from a known breed of their choice, the sooner the population realises choosing their pet does not include a freedom of choice (well you are allowed to choose from what is available, whatever that might be) . You are not chosing a car, your saving a puppy. Edited June 3, 2013 by inez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inez Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) What a wierd and disjointed article.. so hundreds of dogs have been dumped and they have identified puppy farms.. No mention of the conditions at puppy farms, other than they produce several hundred puppies a year... So are they implying all the dumped dogs came form those puppy farms or what? Huh? Hasnt the message been for quite some time now that pet shops, puppy farmers and unethical breeders/greeders is the souce of all evil and flooding the shelters? Goodness, no honest ANKC breeder would dare hope to make a cent from a litter. Mind you the same people who despises 'greedeers' would have a fit if you asked them to fix your car, house, plumbing, whatever, for free to show how ethical they are and dont expect to be actually paid for their hardwork surely? Those who are not newbies can see where this is going, a lot more has changed than the transformation from cart to car, from hand cranked phone to ipad. Edited June 3, 2013 by inez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 The concern expressed seems to be large scale commercial 'farms' that exist solely to supply puppies. Research finds that this type of operation produces dogs at higher risk for behaviours that affect adjustment as companion dogs. So there are links with aggression problems... & higher rates of dumping. Can't see that licensing is going to stop that. In fact, the proposed Victorian legislation actually supports such operations, And shows ignorance of what's required to raise puppies to be of lower risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inez Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 The concern expressed seems to be large scale commercial 'farms' that exist solely to supply puppies. Research finds that this type of operation produces dogs at higher risk for behaviours that affect adjustment as companion dogs. So there are links with aggression problems... & higher rates of dumping. Can't see that licensing is going to stop that. In fact, the proposed Victorian legislation actually supports such operations, And shows ignorance of what's required to raise puppies to be of lower risk. And what about the 54% that dont come from any known source, frequently neither vaccinated, chipped or wormed , many passed on to new homes before they are even 4 and 5 weeks old? A documented cause of poor socialisation in such puppies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 And the latest.... http://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/latest/a/-/latest/17551699/dogs-found-in-filthy-cages-as-breeding-property-raided/ Couldn't help but note on one of the reports that quite a few appeared to be "purebreds" e.g. Cavaliers (naturally ) just supports the argument that these places are not only producing "cross-breeds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah82 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I don't understand why they can't restrict the number of dogs that a person is allowed to keep, regardless of the size of the property. You can give a dog plenty of clean water, clean their cages regularly and exercise them for a certain amount of time a day but if the dogs are spending the majority of their time cooped up in a cage with little human contact, that dog is not going to know how to be a dog. I recently adopted Sarah, a poodle x and at the age of 7 she's afraid of men, doesn't know the most basic commands and I need to feed her from behind a wooden child barrier otherwise she runs away from her food. She's often a ball of confusion when I try and teach her commands and anytime she's unsure about something she ends up curled up on her bed. The organisation I got her from said she came from 'one of the better' puppy farms so yes she's in good physical health but the government also needs to consider the mental health of these animals. Simple fact, breeding pets should never be a primary industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeluca Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 I have place a question on the article 'where do dogs come from' be interested in the reply if I get one. "Rebbecka says: June 16, 2013 at 10:06 am I would be keen to see a similar statistic done on the best place to buy a puppy from. which would include health (obviously by observation and if possible parental history, if been vac wormed chipped), temperament, socialization. Conditions of place of purchase. ect and of course price. plus other question I may not have thought of on the spot. pet shops can’t answer or won’t answer most of those questions. ANKC should be able to answer all with viewing opportunities of mother and place of rearing. Rescue groups would have trouble with history but most have a temperament test in place. guild dogs and custom dogs would not be included as they are not publicly available but are sometimes bred by ANKC breeders. Grayhounds would be variable as some are sold through grayhound rescue or re-homing volunteers. Working dogs should be able to answer most, and the rest would be patchy information but you usually buy the dogs from the owners home. Be also good to be Vet, rescue group, professional behaviorist and professional trainers opinions on what good and bad comes past them. we see don’t buy this dont buy that so where do you go?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leema Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 http://leemakennels.com/blog/dogs-and-politics/where-do-puppies-come-from/ Hehehe, that's my blog! Nothing gets me over the novelty of people linking my articles! Angeluca, I had trouble understanding what you are asking for, but I have replied on my blog. That being said, I can very much do an article like 'what to look for when buying a new puppy/dog' or something to that affect. Considering I'm an Dogs SA registered breeder, it may be clear what direction I will be suggesting people engage in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angeluca Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 http://leemakennels.com/blog/dogs-and-politics/where-do-puppies-come-from/ Hehehe, that's my blog! Nothing gets me over the novelty of people linking my articles! Angeluca, I had trouble understanding what you are asking for, but I have replied on my blog. That being said, I can very much do an article like 'what to look for when buying a new puppy/dog' or something to that affect. Considering I'm an Dogs SA registered breeder, it may be clear what direction I will be suggesting people engage in... Yes basically that, I myself am a Qld registered breeder. I was thinking along the lines of where offers the best place to get pups and why. A lot of people are sheep and prefer to be told where and why fors rather than if you do your research' but also backed up with professional opinion. . Lazy I know but that is why a pet shop is easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddy Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Interestingly, neither of the Tasmanian organisations mentioned in that article will release dogs to rescue groups. I guess they can't be that hard up for space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 And the latest.... http://au.news.yahoo...roperty-raided/ Couldn't help but note on one of the reports that quite a few appeared to be "purebreds" e.g. Cavaliers (naturally ) just supports the argument that these places are not only producing "cross-breeds". doesn't surprise me they found one up this way I know the SA Cavalier King Charles Spaniel are assisting the RSPCA with the Cavaliers. I haven't heard the latest yet, but it is thought quite a few of them might be pregnant..( (the Cavs not sure of the other types of dogs that came in) I cant help with the fostering as our hands are full, but i did donate some dog food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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