ChewieTAG Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Hi all, Just wondering what are the cons of having smaller breeds to be desexed at such young age? I saw a lot of articles online mentioning about their "puppy like" mentality and / or taller body structure and so on. Health problems and so on. Hope to get some ideas. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) Im not a breeder so cant advise you sorry on all the technical side of this, but there have been posts about this subject in the general section of Dol. I think very early desexing can lead to growth and developmental problems? and I think especially in the larger breeds, not so much the toy breeds, altho its still not recommended. In my contract ( well paperwork sounds nicer) the breeder has requested Miah be desexed from around 6 months if I remember right. Which is will be end of this month. Shes already booked in :) Edited May 5, 2013 by Jules❤3Cavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 The cons are that all dogs requires their hormones to grow and mature correctly. If you want an animal to keep the hormones intact but not be bred from, then tubal ligation and vasectomy are a great alternative to juvenile desexing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewieTAG Posted May 5, 2013 Author Share Posted May 5, 2013 I guess I am more concern about the maturing part in terms of mentality. It may be very puppy-like forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassie Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I guess I am more concern about the maturing part in terms of mentality. It may be very puppy-like forever? I've never heard of that. I personally don't agree with desexing tiny babies. Is there a particular reason you want to? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I guess I am more concern about the maturing part in terms of mentality. It may be very puppy-like forever? I've never heard of that. (...) I have heard owners of working gun dogs cite this reason, particularly in Germany, where many dogs still fulfil this role. They say the dogs seem to stay more playful than others of the same age and can be more prone to toying with game rather than performing fast straight-forward retrieves. Of course this is all anecdotal but many of the people I have spoken to about this seem to agree. In general, entire animals seem to be preferred over neutered ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoiboy Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Not some thing I agree with at all. I know people do desex at 8 to 10 weeks, especially the rspca. I tend to think the pup needs all it's bits inside to make sure it matures well. My daughter got an underpriviladeged pup from the rspca a few years ago and it has had continance problems, and ligament problems all it's life. Cost her a fortune in vet fee's. The PMA I gave her has cost her very very little in it's life. That may change but I will leave my pups until they are at least 8 months, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewieTAG Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 I guess I am more concern about the maturing part in terms of mentality. It may be very puppy-like forever? I've never heard of that. I personally don't agree with desexing tiny babies. Is there a particular reason you want to? :) it was due to a hernia that needed to be fix at 6 - 8 weeks old and vet has recommended to desexed at the same time to avoid for putting him under few months later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewieTAG Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 Not some thing I agree with at all. I know people do desex at 8 to 10 weeks, especially the rspca. I tend to think the pup needs all it's bits inside to make sure it matures well. My daughter got an underpriviladeged pup from the rspca a few years ago and it has had continance problems, and ligament problems all it's life. Cost her a fortune in vet fee's. The PMA I gave her has cost her very very little in it's life. That may change but I will leave my pups until they are at least 8 months, I saw few articles citing the health as you've mentioned. this would be a male. that would mean a potential ligament problem.. small breeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoiboy Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Not some thing I agree with at all. I know people do desex at 8 to 10 weeks, especially the rspca. I tend to think the pup needs all it's bits inside to make sure it matures well. My daughter got an underpriviladeged pup from the rspca a few years ago and it has had continance problems, and ligament problems all it's life. Cost her a fortune in vet fee's. The PMA I gave her has cost her very very little in it's life. That may change but I will leave my pups until they are at least 8 months, I saw few articles citing the health as you've mentioned. this would be a male. that would mean a potential ligament problem.. small breeds no it's a small xbred female. some sort of kelpie mix by the look of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I have been desexing my toy poodles at about week 10 for 8 years now. Great feedback, no problems whatsoever & many have kept in contact. They may grow a bit taller but is an inch a big difference ? That's about all it may be in toy breeds. Mentally they are absolutely fine. No incontinence reported & its a nothing operation at this young age, 1 or 2 stitches at most & they come home as though nothing has been done. They are only knocked out for about 20 minutes, if that. The risk of my breed ending up puppy farmed is far bigger than my worries about doing early desexing so I guess that is what you have to weigh up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassie Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I guess I am more concern about the maturing part in terms of mentality. It may be very puppy-like forever? I've never heard of that. I personally don't agree with desexing tiny babies. Is there a particular reason you want to? :) it was due to a hernia that needed to be fix at 6 - 8 weeks old and vet has recommended to desexed at the same time to avoid for putting him under few months later I see. Personally I'd put my pup under again, rather than desex early. And I don't take the decision to put a dog under lightly at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 To some extent I think it can come down to luck too. My kelpie suffered from continence issues after desexing but she wasn't done until 6 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewieTAG Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 I see. Personally I'd put my pup under again, rather than desex early. And I don't take the decision to put a dog under lightly at all. wouldn't that be too much to put the dog under again in such short time? Usually the vet wouldn't recommend it. My Snowy get his hernia and desexed done when he was 8 months. Vet prefer to get it done one time. as for the other male pup I am referring, his hernia was too big and risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I see. Personally I'd put my pup under again, rather than desex early. And I don't take the decision to put a dog under lightly at all. wouldn't that be too much to put the dog under again in such short time? Usually the vet wouldn't recommend it. My Snowy get his hernia and desexed done when he was 8 months. Vet prefer to get it done one time. as for the other male pup I am referring, his hernia was too big and risky. You could easily wait until a dog was 12-14 months old before desexing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassie Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I see. Personally I'd put my pup under again, rather than desex early. And I don't take the decision to put a dog under lightly at all. wouldn't that be too much to put the dog under again in such short time? Usually the vet wouldn't recommend it. My Snowy get his hernia and desexed done when he was 8 months. Vet prefer to get it done one time. as for the other male pup I am referring, his hernia was too big and risky. You could easily wait until a dog was 12-14 months old before desexing. Yes, this is what I meant :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Not sure why more people don't opt for tubal litigation instead of castration? Seems this would resolve all issues by stopping puppy from being bred against breeder's wishes but allows normal hormones to be produced for puppy to mature naturally? Edited May 7, 2013 by BlackJaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercharged Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Not sure why more people don't opt for tubal litigation instead of castration? Seems this would resolve all issues by stopping puppy from being bred against breeder's wishes but allows normal hormones to be produced for puppy to mature naturally? I had my last litter done via this option and results were great! Now at nearly 1 yr of age, all bar two of the males have now been fully desexed and everyone is happy :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I am hoping my vet will do tubal ligations/vasectomies......I am not overly optimistic but I hope!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melina Bea Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I don't know about hormones and the like, but I do know toy breeds can crash very easily when they're that young. I can't imagine how well they'd cope with an operation which is not really needed at that age. I'd wait till they're AT LEAST 12 weeks. At least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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