Proposed Puppy Ad Changes

[minimax]

There is no date on it, does anyone know if this page is current or not?

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/puppy-ads.asp

If it is current, what do you think of the proposed changes?

[inez]

There is no date on it, does anyone know if this page is current or not?

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/puppy-ads.asp

If it is current, what do you think of the proposed changes?

If I can stop laughing long enough.

This is certainly realistic

"We had thought of making memberships of breed clubs for certain breeds mandatory but that would not work and would be unfair. Due the politics in some clubs, many good breeders choose not to be involved with them."

Not quite so realistic is the assumption if some one regularly shows they have better dogs than those who choose not to. If it were true the breeds would not have been morphing into areas that have given the makers of Pedigree dogs exposed such much material to pillary all when (I hope) only a few actuly are.

Edited May 1, 2013 by inez

[oakway]

There is no date on it, does anyone know if this page is current or not?

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/puppy-ads.asp

If it is current, what do you think of the proposed changes?

Absolutely love it.

It can't happen quick enough for me.

Good on you Troy.

[Miranda]

Love it! Well done Troy :clap:

[Lisey]

Great idea

[Bjelkier]

I think it's a brilliant idea

[shirra]

It's an excellent idea

I'd also like to see something like this for the 'mature dogs for sale' which I occasionally browse. Some of the reasons for selling are had to believe, and it's hard to tell the good from the bad.

[rakaaz]

:clap: excellent news, well done Troy and team.

In my breed there are many of the "fringe dwellers" who have never been involved in any ANKC activity apart from breeding, some of them up to 11 litters per year for 2012. I see no motivation for breeding that many litters if they have no involvement in any activity other than $$$.

Then there is the "registered breeder" who had an ad for all of 2012 on DOL but only registered 1 litter in 2012, maybe something to do with the fact that they sell their puppies for $1000 cheaper if they are purchased without papers

These "breeders" use DOL as their primary source of purchasers for their puppies, so any steps taken to weed them out is welcomed by me.

[Podengo]

Well done :)

[Sheridan]

There is no date on it, does anyone know if this page is current or not?

http://www.dogzonlin...u/puppy-ads.asp

If it is current, what do you think of the proposed changes?

If I can stop laughing long enough.

This is certainly realistic

"We had thought of making memberships of breed clubs for certain breeds mandatory but that would not work and would be unfair. Due the politics in some clubs, many good breeders choose not to be involved with them."

Not every breed has a club and there are some breeds I think that would be better off without them.

Not quite so realistic is the assumption if some one regularly shows they have better dogs than those who choose not to. If it were true the breeds would not have been morphing into areas that have given the makers of Pedigree dogs exposed such much material to pillary all when (I hope) only a few actuly are.

As I said elsewhere, there are great breeders who don't show and there are shite breeders who do.

[LisaCC]

I hope this gets rid of some of the "Blue English Staffy" listings!

[rajacadoo]

Well done Troy, and big thanks for listening to the masses :-)...

[SkySoaringMagpie]

Agree with this, will be glad to see it implemented.

I particularly like the idea of uploading health testing results.

[Jed]

I think it is far too much regulation by a non-regulatory body. And I think expecting it to make a blind bit of difference is extremely optimistic.

And what is dol going to do about XXXXXX and XXXXXX kennels, which are on the top of the tree show wise, import wise, and health wise, but breed many more dogs than dol is happy with. Ban them from advertising? And the many others in that category.

And how does stating the name of sire and dam achieve anything? I look through the puppy ads for a breed I don't have, and have no idea whether Magnificent Lollipop and Handsome Harry are good dogs or horrible ones because I have never heard of them. They could be stunning, but if I wanted to buy into that breed, I would have no idea.

But - plenty with the same breed will have plenty to gossip about once they know which dogs are being used. Sire dogs tout their studs excessively, and if they don't know what dog has been used there is not as much grief as if they did. I would prefer not to advertise to other breeders what dogs I am using, not because I breed too many, but because I don't care for the gossip, and like to keep away from it.

My latest litter was by an impsupch who is not advertised at stud. I used him because the bloodlines and conformation fitted with those of my bitch. Because of her breeding I was allowed to use him - the terms were that I could keep what I wanted, the rest of the litter had to go on limited register. All good with me. The pet buyers don't care whether the sire was impsupch, they did not even know they were buying show quality, they were happy to have a healthy outgoing pup.

I shut up about the sire of the litter - but once it got out, others were banging on the door to use the dog. How could I when they couldn't? Puts the stud dog owner under a lot of pressure.

Sometimes I use a non-titled dog that no one has heard of. Who cares? What is important is the quality of the pups,and listing the parents names in dol doesn't make the slightest bit of difference.

One of our registered puppy farmers has now begun showing .... or says so. What difference does that make to the however many dogs locked up in kennels and runs down the back, with insufficient socialisation or care?

[SkySoaringMagpie]

If Troy cannot stand in the shoes of the regulator as you say, then the condition of people's kennels is hardly something he can be expected to monitor.

I hear this a lot: "X has terrible kennels" - well, if we have seen the kennels ourselves and confirmed it's not breed bitching, either we talk to X about it and offer to help, or we report them to council if they decline to clean up their act.

If I were Troy, and I'm not Troy, I'd be uncomfortable with being a vehicle for farmed dogs, and would probably put in place something similar. Not because I consider myself a regulator, but because it's my business, and I'd be running as I liked.

[Missymoo]

I hope this gets rid of some of the "Blue English Staffy" listings!

omg..some of those dogs...

[alpha bet]

Think the idea of offering only 4 litters adds per year has merit, and this should apply to ALL members regardless of what activitiies they are involved in - this would certainly restrict the ability of big volume breeders to flood dogzonline.

Also like the idea of all ads showing the Sire and Dam and the health testing - if you want to advertise on here then perhaps having details open for all to see keeps things as an open book policy. If someone chooses to use a dog who is unavailable for general use and the stud dog owner doesnt want people to know, or if you feel other breeders are judging you for any reason and you are not comfortable about that, then don't advertise the litter thru these channels.

I like being able to peruse the litters for my breed and see what stud dog are being used and who is using them. I like to wander down to the speciality show see whats around but at the local shows often all you see are the same breeders with the same dogs.... I can't get interstate yet the Puppy Lists help me keep an eye on what dogs and bitches are being used around the country.

I do take objection to the notion that if a breeder is not competing in ANKC activities they are not a 'priority'. After all with so many commitments placed on families today it is not surprising to see that many might choose to specialise in their own areas.

Competing is not the be all and end all. Showing and Agility is a huge time and money commitment. Costs for fuel, show gear for dogs, grooming equipment and the time to get all this done is immense and great for the people who choose to do this.

However Breeding takes on a whole new commitment.... raising a litter of pups for 8-10 weeks... ensuring a good social structure for pups as well as spending time to vet the public and educate new owners on top of the time spent checking out stud dogs and then organising matings and caring for a pregnant bitch. Having success in the ring with your dog or bitch does not automatically mean you have the time or experience to spend breeding and raising puppies. If a breeder makes a commitment to 2-3 litters per year then for approx 5 months of the year the whole family has to compromise their lifestyle to have their babies in their home and strangers sitting around their loungeroom drinking coffee and talking dog.

I choose to breed, I run two dog businesses and deal with the usual family commitments - I don't have the time nor the inclination to show or compete at agility - does this make me or my dogs less worthy.... after all my expertise is in training and socialising... building strong skills and teaching owners how to live and grow with their dogs....

Myself and other breeders in my position bring something different to the table - perhaps even more than the current fashionable showie... After all I don't race off to a show every weekend and leave pups home.

Edited May 1, 2013 by alpha bet

[Christina]

Pleased the breed club idea has been dropped. There hasn't been a poodle club in SA for many years & I used to love going to their activities so long ago.

Toy breeds aren't the best for agility etc IMO & if one lives far out of the metro area attending events, especially in the evenings or extreme weather is stressful for dogs & owners. Showing isn't always enjoyed by dogs or owners either so that leaves the ad part which is a good idea. Not sure if it will achieve much though apart from health record.

[WreckitWhippet]

Much of it I agree with, however when I advertise ( which is not very often ) I like to advertise things about my puppies/dogs when it comes to where they are raised, if they are toilet trained, lead trained, raised with cats and kids. I do this so that a potential buyer can see immediately if I'm the kind of breeder, with the type of puppy they would potentially like and I don't waste their time and my time.

[Steve]

Certainly leaves little doubt about what Troy thinks makes a good breeder and how he thinks breeders should advertise.

Its his business and his call but I reckon he is on the wrong track and this is likely to give him a greater pain in the neck and give em even more to complain about.- bitch is too young, male is too old, they already know about genetic issues with that one and repeated the mating, back to back litters, in bred, scores are too high to be breeding with, breeding with a carrier, only advertising 4 litters here but breeding dozens more anyway, doing shows but their dogs are falling to bits and that dog bit someone and they still bred it, blah blah blah - breeders and loonies always complain about the other guy and there isn't a single breeder who can do it all right according to everyone else no matter what criteria you put on how they have to qualify to advertise.At least if they post in on their own websites they have to answer for it personally and cope with reports to the CC without yet another person to answer to and be judged by and loose their advertising rights on a website with no ability to sort it out past gossip.

Animal rights have done some great stitch ups of breeders who posted this type of stuff on their websites and Id be careful what you wish for before you all agree to this type of advertising.