raz Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Carry on with your usual crap and ill carry on with mine!! Good oh. Start with this one - how do you people define Puppy Farmer? So far I havent seen anything about what ya'all think is a puppy farmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baifra Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Carry on with your usual crap and ill carry on with mine!! Good oh. Start with this one - how do you people define Puppy Farmer? So far I havent seen anything about what ya'all think is a puppy farmer. Define 'you people' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Carry on with your usual crap and ill carry on with mine!! Good oh. Start with this one - how do you people define Puppy Farmer? So far I havent seen anything about what ya'all think is a puppy farmer. Define 'you people' You oscar's law supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 It certainly has helped to raise some level of awareness amongst the general public so to that end it is acceptable to me. Yes, the Oscar's Law folk have kept the real horrors of puppy farming (whoever does it) in the face of the public. But they leave out the essential message ... how dogs should be bred & raised. If the public is to become informed on how not to support puppy farming (whoever does it), they need to know what to look for. And regulators & lawmakers need to base any 'rules' on that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baifra Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Carry on with your usual crap and ill carry on with mine!! Good oh. Start with this one - how do you people define Puppy Farmer? So far I havent seen anything about what ya'all think is a puppy farmer. Define 'you people' You oscar's law supporters. Cool thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm pretty sure you know what the definition of a puppy farmer is so I'm not going to be baited into that discussion. Like I stated before.... I'm against animal cruelty in all it's forms. I support Oscars Law and am all for awareness of cruel and in humane treatment of all animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Carry on with your usual crap and ill carry on with mine!! Good oh. Start with this one - how do you people define Puppy Farmer? So far I havent seen anything about what ya'all think is a puppy farmer. Define 'you people' You oscar's law supporters. I'm more interested in them telling us exactly what is it they actually support... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Cool thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm pretty sure you know what the definition of a puppy farmer is so I'm not going to be baited into that discussion. Like I stated before.... I'm against animal cruelty in all it's forms. I support Oscars Law and am all for awareness of cruel and in humane treatment of all animals. Cool. Seems you're all taught how to answer a question without answering it. That's fine but I'll ask again, who are the Dol member breeders you're all accusing of being puppy farmers? I know what MY definition of a puppy farmer is. What is OL's definition of what a puppy farmer is because they have never answered that before. I'm against animal cruelty as well. I simply will not tolerate half baked vigilantes breaking the law to break and enter, trespass and steal...or run down people with their cars. There are agencies who are entitled to investigate, not idiot civilian groups who take it upon themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baifra Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Cool thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm pretty sure you know what the definition of a puppy farmer is so I'm not going to be baited into that discussion. Like I stated before.... I'm against animal cruelty in all it's forms. I support Oscars Law and am all for awareness of cruel and in humane treatment of all animals. Cool. Seems you're all taught how to answer a question without answering it. That's fine but I'll ask again, who are the Dol member breeders you're all accusing of being puppy farmers? I know what MY definition of a puppy farmer is. What is OL's definition of what a puppy farmer is because they have never answered that before. I'm against animal cruelty as well. I simply will not tolerate half baked vigilantes breaking the law to break and enter, trespass and steal...or run down people with their cars. There are agencies who are entitled to investigate, not idiot civilian groups who take it upon themselves. You have a real flare for the dramatic Raz. Using big words and everything!!! AGAIN I must have missed my post accusing DOL breeders of being puppy farmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Cool thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm pretty sure you know what the definition of a puppy farmer is so I'm not going to be baited into that discussion. Like I stated before.... I'm against animal cruelty in all it's forms. I support Oscars Law and am all for awareness of cruel and in humane treatment of all animals. Cool. Seems you're all taught how to answer a question without answering it. That's fine but I'll ask again, who are the Dol member breeders you're all accusing of being puppy farmers? I know what MY definition of a puppy farmer is. What is OL's definition of what a puppy farmer is because they have never answered that before. I'm against animal cruelty as well. I simply will not tolerate half baked vigilantes breaking the law to break and enter, trespass and steal...or run down people with their cars. There are agencies who are entitled to investigate, not idiot civilian groups who take it upon themselves. You have a real flare for the dramatic Raz. Using big words and everything!!! AGAIN I must have missed my post accusing DOL breeders of being puppy farmers. Anyyyyway. Some of us actually want to know what Oscar's Law is, but it seems even their supports don't know :laugh: Or maybe it's like fight club and they aren't allowed to talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Cool thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm pretty sure you know what the definition of a puppy farmer is so I'm not going to be baited into that discussion. Like I stated before.... I'm against animal cruelty in all it's forms. I support Oscars Law and am all for awareness of cruel and in humane treatment of all animals. Cool. Seems you're all taught how to answer a question without answering it. That's fine but I'll ask again, who are the Dol member breeders you're all accusing of being puppy farmers? I know what MY definition of a puppy farmer is. What is OL's definition of what a puppy farmer is because they have never answered that before. I'm against animal cruelty as well. I simply will not tolerate half baked vigilantes breaking the law to break and enter, trespass and steal...or run down people with their cars. There are agencies who are entitled to investigate, not idiot civilian groups who take it upon themselves. You have a real flare for the dramatic Raz. Using big words and everything!!! AGAIN I must have missed my post accusing DOL breeders of being puppy farmers. Hmmm thats interesting. I havent used big words at all. Have you been through the OLAP because you answer questions with non answers just like they do. Is this all scripted? Yes ofcouse it is. Tallyho, babe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 [ I support Oscars Law and am all for awareness of cruel and in humane treatment of all animals. Yes, the Oscar's Law folk have highlighted the ugly consequences of puppy farming. But I'd like them to point their 'What We Want' campaign in the direction of evidence-based breeding/raising of dogs so that the Oscars of this world get what they need. And the pet-buying public know what that is... & lawmakers, too. So I want the 'humane treatment' spelled out in relation to the breeding/raising of dogs. Factor that in, then we'd be on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baifra Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Cool thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm pretty sure you know what the definition of a puppy farmer is so I'm not going to be baited into that discussion. Like I stated before.... I'm against animal cruelty in all it's forms. I support Oscars Law and am all for awareness of cruel and in humane treatment of all animals. Cool. Seems you're all taught how to answer a question without answering it. That's fine but I'll ask again, who are the Dol member breeders you're all accusing of being puppy farmers? I know what MY definition of a puppy farmer is. What is OL's definition of what a puppy farmer is because they have never answered that before. I'm against animal cruelty as well. I simply will not tolerate half baked vigilantes breaking the law to break and enter, trespass and steal...or run down people with their cars. There are agencies who are entitled to investigate, not idiot civilian groups who take it upon themselves. You have a real flare for the dramatic Raz. Using big words and everything!!! AGAIN I must have missed my post accusing DOL breeders of being puppy farmers. Hmmm thats interesting. I havent used big words at all. Have you been through the OLAP because you answer questions with non answers just like they do. Is this all scripted? Yes ofcouse it is. Tallyho, babe. Yes Raz .... It's all scripted for your entertainment. You've made up your mind about Oscars law. That's very clear. Oscars Law do define what a puppy farmer is so there's no need for me to write it here. If you really are interested go and read their site. If you actually asked a question that was for genuine curiosity purposes and not to bait and belittle people then 'we people' might be more responsive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Cool thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm pretty sure you know what the definition of a puppy farmer is so I'm not going to be baited into that discussion. Like I stated before.... I'm against animal cruelty in all it's forms. I support Oscars Law and am all for awareness of cruel and in humane treatment of all animals. Cool. Seems you're all taught how to answer a question without answering it. That's fine but I'll ask again, who are the Dol member breeders you're all accusing of being puppy farmers? I know what MY definition of a puppy farmer is. What is OL's definition of what a puppy farmer is because they have never answered that before. I'm against animal cruelty as well. I simply will not tolerate half baked vigilantes breaking the law to break and enter, trespass and steal...or run down people with their cars. There are agencies who are entitled to investigate, not idiot civilian groups who take it upon themselves. You have a real flare for the dramatic Raz. Using big words and everything!!! AGAIN I must have missed my post accusing DOL breeders of being puppy farmers. Hmmm thats interesting. I havent used big words at all. Have you been through the OLAP because you answer questions with non answers just like they do. Is this all scripted? Yes ofcouse it is. Tallyho, babe. Yes Raz .... It's all scripted for your entertainment. You've made up your mind about Oscars law. That's very clear. Oscars Law do define what a puppy farmer is so there's no need for me to write it here. If you really are interested go and read their site. If you actually asked a question that was for genuine curiosity purposes and not to bait and belittle people then 'we people' might be more responsive. People ask questions of them all the time. They're never answered, just like you have done in this thread. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If you actually asked a question that was for genuine curiosity purposes and not to bait and belittle people then 'we people' might be more responsive. I did. The website is useless, the whole "about oscar's law" page does not tell me what oscar's law is. The whole evasive nature is leading me to believe there is something to be evasive about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I have a sneaking suspicion that the OL people actually want to stop ALL breeding for the pet market... they quite simply don't want ANY pet bred from. They won't say it openly because it's not a very popular stance to put to the general public as a whole. OL would probably get a lot further with their campaign if they actually put some workable solutions forward as to how their goals can be achieved - until then, it's all fluff and shock tactics without much meat. Seems more an attention seeking exercise than anything else... "look at ME, I am appalled at the fact puppy farms exist!"... *sigh* T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda K Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Bingo!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) It certainly has helped to raise some level of awareness amongst the general public so to that end it is acceptable to me. Yes, the Oscar's Law folk have kept the real horrors of puppy farming (whoever does it) in the face of the public. But they leave out the essential message ... how dogs should be bred & raised. If the public is to become informed on how not to support puppy farming (whoever does it), they need to know what to look for. And regulators & lawmakers need to base any 'rules' on that, too. True. But then are we expecting them to be experts in marketing and messages? I also think it might be a bit of a run-away train with supporters increasing the speed. I am sure it was initially perceived as a way to raise awareness of puppy farms. I think the public think of puppy farms as dogs being kept in cages and or sheds and dog breeding on a mass scale for commercial purposes and it is is image that is the impetus for people to support such a thing. Edited April 30, 2013 by ~Anne~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Well I have to admit that back in the early days they almost had me. I believe the whole Oscars Law thing is a about pushing for laws which would prevent dogs living in squalor as it is reported Oscar did. Im all for that and I have no doubt that most of the supporters have nothing but the best intentions for the dogs. I agree with some of their basic comments such as that not all breeders who advertise on dogz are reputable and there is no way Troy could possibly prevent that. Its pretty difficult to say they are not on the ball when they say some purebred registered breeders are rotten - you only have to do a search to see that some have been rolled for having hundreds of dogs etc. Not much point in denying it. Ive also seen first hand some purebred registered breeders who would leave most puppy farmers for dead who only had a handful of dogs. But its not that easy and I found out in pretty quick time that any means for them justified the end and I would never believe a single thing that came from that area and I believe their tactics make it worse rather than better. They have been most active in Victoria and yet the biggest commercial kennels in the country are located in that state. But even better they are legitimate businesses and given credibility from council and Rspca because they comply with the codes - codes OL wanted - codes OL pushed for and the new ones that are on the table in Victoria now will once again suit commercial breeders over small breeders - yet they dont want dogs bred in factory type situations. Whats more it hasnt changed the dump rate or euth rate anyway. All it does is chase off small breeders and give more demand for mongrel bred dogs. My question is that if there are so many puppy farms where are they? Why havent we seen a massive increase in prosecution since the new laws came in via Victoria and if it is as bad as it is reported then why isnt the truth enough - why does the truth have to be distorted and why is it necessary to tell lies. Why is it necessary to break the law when all they have to do is report what they think is happening and those charged with enforcing laws can do what they need to help the dogs. Victoria is a great place to build large scale commercial kennels and have laws which help you make a greater profit and any minute now they get another hand in that regard with new regs on the table OL can take much of the credit for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) This is on the OL website. OSCAR'S LAW: .Abolish the factory farming of companion animals. .Ban the sale of companion animals from pets shops/online trading sites. .Promote adoption through rescue groups/pounds/shelters. I'd add: . Promote how companion dogs/cats should be bred/raised so their physical, behavioral & social needs are met. . Promote the purchase of pets from breeders who do so. . Advocate that codes & laws about the breeding/raising/sale of companion animals are based on this. If the OL folk included the proactive, they'd have greater capacity to make a difference for the animals. And it doesn't require being a rocket scientist. The Irish are able to summarize the additions in one paragraph of practical applications. And, interestingly, CHOICE (Australian Consumers' Association) is onto this whole picture on their buying a puppy page. For a moment there, I thought the average !Q must be higher in Ireland. :) Edited April 30, 2013 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I have a sneaking suspicion that the OL people actually want to stop ALL breeding for the pet market... they quite simply don't want ANY pet bred from. They won't say it openly because it's not a very popular stance to put to the general public as a whole. OL would probably get a lot further with their campaign if they actually put some workable solutions forward as to how their goals can be achieved - until then, it's all fluff and shock tactics without much meat. Seems more an attention seeking exercise than anything else... "look at ME, I am appalled at the fact puppy farms exist!"... *sigh* T. But i thought it was created by Debra Tranter? I don't believe she is against dogs being bred all together? Has someone hijacked e message perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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