Guest donatella Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Is inbreeding frowned upon by the ANKC? How far back down the line? Can this produce orthopedic deformities? Edited April 9, 2013 by donatella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I don't believe the ANKC has an issue with it, could be wrong though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Oh really? I would have thought it was frowned upon. But I have no idea about dog breeding so I am interested to hear also :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) a lay persons defintion on inbreeding could very well differ from a breeders Edited April 9, 2013 by Rebanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I know there is such a thing as 'line breeding' whereas mating a grandad to grandaughter and that apparently is viewed as okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 has one of your Poms got a orthopedic problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Yes, I was more referring to line breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I know that line breeding can be used to produce desired breed traits. I myself own a line bred bitch and she is almost the perfect copy of her grand grand dam who she is linebred to. It also starts to show up genetic faults after time though if not done properly. I think inbreeding is more mother to son matings, which is frowned upon generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I know there is such a thing as 'line breeding' whereas mating a grandad to grandaughter and that apparently is viewed as okay? I think you can also breed father to daughter but not mother to son. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I know that line breeding can be used to produce desired breed traits. I myself own a line bred bitch and she is almost the perfect copy of her grand grand dam who she is linebred to. It also starts to show up genetic faults after time though if not done properly. I think inbreeding is more mother to son matings, which is frowned upon generally. many great dogs have been produced from parent/offspring or sibling to sibling matings in years past by people who knew what they are doing. The ANKC however have recently decided these matings can no longer be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I know there is such a thing as 'line breeding' whereas mating a grandad to grandaughter and that apparently is viewed as okay? I think you can also breed father to daughter but not mother to son. Correct me if I'm wrong. very wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 outcrossing also produces issues just like crossing mutts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I know there is such a thing as 'line breeding' whereas mating a grandad to grandaughter and that apparently is viewed as okay? I think you can also breed father to daughter but not mother to son. Correct me if I'm wrong. very wrong ok thanks. I wasn't sure if that was a done thing. You hear contradictory reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Is inbreeding frowned upon by the ANKC? How far back down the line? Can this produce orthopedic deformities? Direct relatives cannot be bred under ANKC rules - no mother/son, father/daughter, brother/sister. Half sibs are still OK, so are grandparent/grandchild (grandpuppy?lol) matings. If deleterious genes for an orthopedic condition are present in the parent, very close matings will likely concentrate them. If they are not present, then it won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Is inbreeding frowned upon by the ANKC? How far back down the line? Can this produce orthopedic deformities? As Diva mentions, the ANKC restricts parent to sibling and full brother/sister matings, but half brother/sister and grandparent to grand(puppy) matings are permitted. When it comes to passing on issues such as orhopaedic problems, they can only be passed if the two dogs carry the genes to pass it. If they don't have the genes, they can not pass them on. Doesn't matter if the dog is linebred/inbred or an outcross in this respect (in fact line/in breeding can be a useful tool for consolidating GOOD genes as you have less unknowns to deal with). Note that orthopaedic issues being largely polygenetic and also affected by environment they are hard to pin down in ANY dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I ask because 3 dogs now (on limited) from the same breeder have been diagnosed with very disabling orthapedeic conditions within their first 2 years of life. The latest needs surgery to fuse the spine to the neck as now the dog cannot walk (only 1 year old) at $5000-$7000. This breeder is known for inbreeding and doesnt use other lines in the program. Now I'm not accusing I'm just curious to if it's related, hence the question. They could be completely unrelated unfortunate incidents, I understand that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Any breeding needs careful consideration. Line breeding is not a scientific term but it's one I understand when breeders use it. Inbreeding (including line breeding) does limit genetic variation - it can work for the good or the bad. Same with outcrossing - it can introduce nasties that can't be tested for. Nature plays some awful tricks and breeders can only do so much. Then there's environmental factors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Are there matings other than linebreeding that are considered inbreeding? And actually, what is actually considered linebreeding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) I thought line breeding was breeding two dogs from the same line together....obviously excluding the inbreeding which is not allowed.. Edited April 9, 2013 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 That's what I thought too Aussie, but maybe there are specifics? So is inbreeding only immediate relatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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