tdierikx Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Why would they care so much if they aren't doing anything wrong? Would you care if you were being filmed without consent on your own property? I know I would... regardless if I were doing anything wrong or not. Then ask yourself, would you like Animal Lib filming YOU on YOUR property with YOUR animals - and making judgments about how YOU care for them? These are crazy people with an agenda... T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 What next - let these lunatics tap telephone lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Why would they care so much if they aren't doing anything wrong? Would you care if you were being filmed without consent on your own property? I know I would... regardless if I were doing anything wrong or not. Then ask yourself, would you like Animal Lib filming YOU on YOUR property with YOUR animals - and making judgments about how YOU care for them? These are crazy people with an agenda... T. No I would not, however, I am not running a business from my property. I haven't said I think this is a good thing either, just playing devils advocate really, if they're running a business where animal welfare is involved, I would imagine they would want to showcase to everyone that the welfare of the animals is their highest priority and could use this as a way to bring their good practices to light. Or they could just threaten to shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 No, I understand the privacy issue, but it is a business, so I don't think it's the same as someone filming a private home. Who are these animal rights loonies who think they can play Big Brother. If its true they have bought a drone to spy on and terrorise people this is just getting freaking ridiculous I agree it's a bit over the top raz. But.... if they do uncover some really dodgy practices, that has to be a good thing. I disagree Aussie. We have authorised departments for this sort of thing. The wannabee vigilantes can piss off with their pretend warfare Fair enough, I see what you're saying and yeah, as I said it's over the top. Do you think that the authorities have partly caused this though, by failing to do what they're supposed to? RSPCA mainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Do you really think they will stop at only filming farms? T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 This is why I don't like animal rights people these days, they don't give a toss about whether stock gets injured by doing this. If they really cared more about the animals than their own emotions they'd never do something as stressful as this to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 No, I understand the privacy issue, but it is a business, so I don't think it's the same as someone filming a private home. Who are these animal rights loonies who think they can play Big Brother. If its true they have bought a drone to spy on and terrorise people this is just getting freaking ridiculous I agree it's a bit over the top raz. But.... if they do uncover some really dodgy practices, that has to be a good thing. I disagree Aussie. We have authorised departments for this sort of thing. The wannabee vigilantes can piss off with their pretend warfare Fair enough, I see what you're saying and yeah, as I said it's over the top. Do you think that the authorities have partly caused this though, by failing to do what they're supposed to? RSPCA mainly. No. I think animal rights people have always been nutcase civilians who think they can get away with taking the law into their own hands. Not on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Do you really think they will stop at only filming farms? T. I don't know what else they'd be interested in filming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 The animal welfare people are behind wanting to muzzle working dogs on cattle and outlawing yard dogs. So if they film a dog biting a cow they could potentially use that against you. It's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Why would they care so much if they aren't doing anything wrong? Would you care if you were being filmed without consent on your own property? I know I would... regardless if I were doing anything wrong or not. Then ask yourself, would you like Animal Lib filming YOU on YOUR property with YOUR animals - and making judgments about how YOU care for them? These are crazy people with an agenda... T. No I would not, however, I am not running a business from my property. I haven't said I think this is a good thing either, just playing devils advocate really, if they're running a business where animal welfare is involved, I would imagine they would want to showcase to everyone that the welfare of the animals is their highest priority and could use this as a way to bring their good practices to light. Or they could just threaten to shoot it. Any other business is able to have security, gates out front and certain areas which the general public don't get to see or enter including them.What other business has no choice but to have their homes and families filmed etc and assumed to be crimminal and have no rights left just in case? .There is a lot of valuable property and machinery and equipment on farms which most farmers dont want to advertise they own because they are miles and miles form anyone and they are vulnerable to theft. They wont highlight any good practices they find - that wont help their cause. Most of the activities they have said they are looking for take place in a bloody shearing shed anyway. Pig farmers ,chook farmers etc which is who they have targeted for factory farming keep their animals in sheds what is a drone to see of that? Surely to God you cant believe this is about them counting how many trees there are in a paddock for a sheep to sit under on a hot day? For them to actually have the thing on the spot on the few days that people are moving sheep or cattle is remote anyway. Crutching and muelsing and shearing are not things you can just spot every day of the year when you happen to buzz over you know. By the way all of these things are still legal anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) I know that Steve, as I said, I'm not saying I think it's a good idea. I just think that by saying they're going to shoot the drones down, they just reinforce the impression people who may support this agenda have. As for certain practices being legal, we can extend that to backyard breeding and puppy farms too, but we hardly agree with those. Edited March 31, 2013 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhok Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I can't help but think it will be used to spy on properties, You can get a lot of useful information from the air, like the lay of the land, exit and entry points, places where you won't be seen etc. Doesn't matter if you aren't doing anything wrong they won't care and with today's editing tools that are available you can pretty much make a case from anything. I also can't help shake the feeling dog breeders, well any animal breeders will be lumped into it as well.. This is not a good thing. If they want to run around playing Batman they can do it in their own backyard (I'll even buy them a cape) and leave other people to enjoy theirs. --Lhok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha bet Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Animal welfare could easily take this concept much further - after all we know how fanatical some of these guys can be and we also know PETA's attitude to us even having animals as pets. How would some of the breeders and showies here like to become their target - have a drone buzzing overhead checking out kennels - snooping to see how many dogs in your yard and how big your exercise area is. How would you feel if the local dogooders decide to start a complaint campaign with your local councils or even worse, perhaps they feel the need to climb your walls and 'rescue' dogs from your backyard. There is a famous speech from Pastor Martin Niemöller we should all consider his wise words. "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak out for me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Or let's say we find a sheep dying from fly strike, we can record the location on a GPS and notify the authorities,'' he said. ''But there are lots of cases where farming activities cause horrible distress to animals - mulesing being a common example. People are entitled to know and see what's going on. So, even if it is lawful, if we think the public is going to be outraged or if we think they need to be informed, we will show it.'' Wow this makes sense. Locate sheep dying from flystrike but dont want mulesing which is used to prevent flystrike. Huh??? Full article http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/i-spy-with-my-little-fly--animal-cruelty-20130330-2h02s.html?rand=4693643 And this article covers Privacy. Bloody hell, looks like law enforcement doesnt even use drones here but these animal lib cowboys can just buy one and let it loose? the Privacy Act doesn't cover the actions of individuals in those circumstances. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/privacy-watchdog-urges-debate-on-aerial-drones-20120912-25ri4.html Edited March 31, 2013 by raz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Forget about shooting their spy planes, start shooting the AR nutters or at the very least desex them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Forget about shooting their spy planes, start shooting the AR nutters or at the very least desex them all Now now, that's illegal. Atleast if farmers shoot down the drone they can say Oops I thought it was a big mosquito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Forget about shooting their spy planes, start shooting the AR nutters or at the very least desex them all A big +1 here! As noted in other posts - there is no way they are going to ONLY use this thing on farming properties... won't be long before they will be buzzing suburban yards as well... and god help us all then. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 won't be long before they will be buzzing suburban yards as well... and god help us all then. T. And with no legislation in place to authorise a govt department to monitor a civilian group who uses them. Ridiculous and such a goddamn slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Imagine how much fun the weekend hunting warriors could have shooting them down, it's going to cost them a fortune in drone's :laugh: Forget about the "fox bounty", there will be a handsome price paid for shooting drone's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 It would be like clay shooting. Hey that's another excuse - oops it got in the way of my clay pidgeon. Or, gee I just watched Michael Bay's Transformers and freaked out that a robot alien was about to land on my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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