casowner Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Nick X was on radio this morning saying how he has been helping Spring Gully for weeks quietly, this is how a real politician should work. Working hard behind the scenes for the good of the company not for their own political agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Mark will burn out soon I think and dump Moorook if Lola doesn't boot him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ker Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Oh FGS, if you looked into the whole Rescues Unite quiz night, you'd realise that it is organised by Help Save the Furry Ones, which has all the relevant documentation required to fundraise. And ever stopped to think that the reason Lola went off her nut this way is because they killed 3 of the dogs that were taken, and the kitten? And they now won't tell her the status of the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 If help save the furry ones give money to Moorook then they are in breach if Moorook don't have their fundraising licenses. If Lola really gave a damn about those animals she wouldn't have been keeping them in puppy farm conditions for 20 years. She just doesn't like things being out of her control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda K Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 not to mention the fact that Moorook have admitted they free range their cats waiting for adoption, as they consider it cruel to have them in cages - no it is cruel to let them roam like that and not be able to be monitored, handled or fed properly, far more easy for cats to be bullies to each other under these conditions, and an injured cat escape notice, plus spread disease through the colony, and the reality is I am sure the real reason the cats are kept that way is not at all for their welfare but rather that meant they did not have to change litter trays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 They are in the dark ages when it comes to rescue, they'd still be selling them for $50 undesexed and unvaccinated if not stopped. Lola is a disgrace. They don't see anything wrong with what they do so they post about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Now he's mentioned me and my comments that he keeps claiming he wants to debate the detractors, but we won't. The reason people can't debate him is because he deletes anything that hints at being a challenge. He's backed into a corner now :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Transparency, I don't think it means what he thinks it means :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ker Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Absolutely nothing I said on the day I got blocked from both Moorook's and Mark's pages was inflammatory or attacking in any way and I was always polite I was polite and non-inflammatory, no name-calling, when I posted on RSPCA SA's page. And I got banned. Same thing, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Of course my phone number and address is critical to the substance of my arguments :laugh: As if I'd be stupid enough to open myself up to death threats from his groupies! He is trying to get people to ignore the page because he knows there is evidence there he doesn't want supporters to see. Ker, you are making the mistake of assuming that if you are anti-Moorook you are pro rspca. From the start I have been critical of the rspca's initial response to this. They have since handled it a lot better. Also note that if you post on the rspca page on a thread unrelated to Moorook your comment will get deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ker Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Ker, you are making the mistake of assuming that if you are anti-Moorook you are pro rspca. From the start I have been critical of the rspca's initial response to this. They have since handled it a lot better. Also note that if you post on the rspca page on a thread unrelated to Moorook your comment will get deleted. I'm aware of that. So I posted in the first thread they put up about Moorook. And I got my message deleted and banned. I am totally anti-RSPCA. After seeing Freedom Kennels and knowing they did NOTHING and after one other issue, then yes, I have absolutely no time for them. They do not do enough and that's why I've joined this. I want the SA RSPCA run more like the ACT one. I don't want them folded. I want more accountability to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Mark's inappropriate behaviour is a separate issue from the failings of the rspca. They started it isn't really a valid defence :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ker Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I'm not supporting any person. I'm in it for the animals of Australia. And being blind is NOT a reason to kill a dog! My friends just lost their old dog. She was 16 and had been blind for a year or so. Their other dog is the same age and he's deaf. They both managed perfectly well. And do you REALLY think the other dogs they took are still alive? Arthritis, when being managed by Cartrophen, is also not a reason to kill a dog. I agree that Mark is mismanaging the situation, but I also don't think Lola is in a position to cope with the RSPCA, media and court on her own. Mark is all she has. And yeah, ok, maybe he is using it as a bit of a political grandstand, but show me a pollie that doesn't? Whej Tony Abbott is running around kissing babies, do you really think he gives a shit about those babies? I've met Lola. She DOES have a heart of gold. She doesn't take bullshit and she speaks her mind, so she gets people offside at times. But she gives a shit about animals, which makes her ok in my book. Ok, Moorook wasn't the Ritz. Lola admits that, everyone admits that. The RSPCA would have been much better to go in gently and say "this needs to be fixed", rather than storming in bull headed, taking animals and killing them. I've been to Freedom kennels when they were in existence. I got a guided tour from the drunk that was running it. If Lola's place is bad, well why was Freedom passed so often? The shelter for the dogs was 3-sided tin shantys. The yards were all dirt. No concrete. No grass. If Lola's is like a youth hostel, well Freedom was like the ghetto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 You are making the same mistake that the other supporters are, the dogs weren't PTS because of being old, but because they would have had age related untreated illness. How can you claim that she cares when she watches them suffering? That is not care, that's actually selfishness. She has sick animals, she has rehomed sick animals, she rehomed undesxed animals to keep breeding, she rehomed unvaccinated animals, she rehomed to anyone who gave her $50, she keeps them in inadequate enclosures in their own filth, she keeps them in enclosures that expose them to extreme heat and cold, she lets them drink from green water because she can't or won't keep their water clean, she has let dogs breed, she lets cats roam all over the place transmitting disease. That is just the stuff I can say publicly and if you think that is giving a shit you need to go see some real shelters, ones that don't have serious cruelty charges pending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ker Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 What happened with Freedom Kennels is a separate issue to what has happened with Moorook. The issue isn't that Moorook wasn't a state of the art kennel, it was that it was filthy, dangerous, completely inadequate in terms of shelter and accommodation and that she had at least four times the number of dogs she was approved for and could not care for them. Ok. a Pig shed. has a tin roof, but open. Concrete runs 1M by 3M, housing three small dogs. Adequete? A dirt run, tin shanty type shelter, a straggly tree, measuring about...3M by 5M, full of dog poo, no water, some food. Housing 6 - 8 dogs. 132 dogs on premises. Yes, I counted. I had plenty of time there. All dogs filthy, dirty, stinking, undersize, knotted coats. Cavs with overbites and labs whose heads were too big for their body. Sound like the Ritz? Well that is what the RSPCA deemed as ok. Freedom Kennels. That place STILL haunts me, 4 years on. The threats are coming from both sides of the camp, reportedly and it's not something I get involved in, because it's just stupid. The bullying IS coming from the other camp as well, and don't pretend you don't know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 What happened with Freedom Kennels is a separate issue to what has happened with Moorook. The issue isn't that Moorook wasn't a state of the art kennel, it was that it was filthy, dangerous, completely inadequate in terms of shelter and accommodation and that she had at least four times the number of dogs she was approved for and could not care for them. Ok. a Pig shed. has a tin roof, but open. Concrete runs 1M by 3M, housing three small dogs. Adequete? A dirt run, tin shanty type shelter, a straggly tree, measuring about...3M by 5M, full of dog poo, no water, some food. Housing 6 - 8 dogs. 132 dogs on premises. Yes, I counted. I had plenty of time there. All dogs filthy, dirty, stinking, undersize, knotted coats. Cavs with overbites and labs whose heads were too big for their body. Sound like the Ritz? Well that is what the RSPCA deemed as ok. Freedom Kennels. That place STILL haunts me, 4 years on. The threats are coming from both sides of the camp, reportedly and it's not something I get involved in, because it's just stupid. The bullying IS coming from the other camp as well, and don't pretend you don't know that! So, you think Moorook is ok because there is one worse? Slightly flawed logic there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ker Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I am not saying that Moorook is ok because Freedom was worse. I am saying Why is the RSPCA lambasting Moorook when they let FK go on so many times? There is no consistency in their actions whatsoever. They also let slide a cruelty case more recently that involved dead dogs. The girl that made the Rants page is a complete idiot. I wasn't all too fussed by the thread about me, but be damned if I wasn't going to defend myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 You are right, FK has nothing to do with Moorook so your comparisons and comments about rspca inaction on them has no relevance to the conditions at Moorook. Moorook is the subject and you defended them. FK has nothing to do with Moorook and the pending court case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 That's the problem with lies, everyone has to be on the same page. Note that picture that snook posted and the old freezer or whatever it is. On one of the videos that Mark posted it showed that from another angle and had two cats wandering around. Above that freezer thing is a solid roof, allowing easy access for the free ranging cats to jump in. That is their quarantine, the one they were whinging about how the rspca inspectors didn't wash their hands, but cats have access, making it useless anyway. Just another example of the bull going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I have been reading this thread for a day or so. Is anyone able to confirm what the charges are (against the owner/manager) or the shelter please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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