Do I Need A Copy Of Both The Parents' Health Check?

[espinay2]

I solve it to some extent by having all my dogs results officially recorded by OFA. Anyone can view them if they want. Can't see how that can be misused. For example: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1466783#animal

Edited March 4, 2013 by espinay2

[Rebanne]

I seem to recall where, on a form giving a clear result, the dogs name was changed. So a dog that tested carrier or affected appeared to have a clear certificate. This was a Border Collie I think and was discussed here on DOL a few years ago

[Santo66]

If your puppy is a GSD from a registered breeder, our club code of ethics requires that we provide the information. We get a copy of the hand written results from Lavelle and the club gets a copy and they send us a certificate. Results are then reported annually in the clubs Breed Survey book.

I am sorry but no matter what breed you should get a copy even if the breeder writes copy on the paperwork.

All I know is that I provide copies of all relevant documents, and most breed clubs require their members to provide them.

FH

So what is stopping someone photoshopping a copy changing the dogs name to a dog who hasn't been scored and sending that into the club......does the club check that the copy they receive is a valid copy?

How exactly would documents be "misused"?

Could the documents be falsified and therefore breeder doesn't want copies out there, dates, vets etc in case someone checks up on them?

Edited March 4, 2013 by Santo66

[merikuri]

Thanks everyone for the reply!

When my breeder called me to inform that she has a litter available soon, I asked her about both the dam and sire's health test results. She was quite impressed and mentioned that no one has ever asked her on the phone about this and happily told me the results.

They showed me the actual reports again when I visited them and that's when they told me they will not issue copies of these health reports (I did not ask if I will get a copy in the first hand) as they have bad experience with people misusing it before. They told me that I can take a look at the health reports anytime in the future, which is why I wasn't worried about anything at first. Just want to ask if this is ok?

Maybe I should ask about this again when I visit them next time?

My dogs hip and elbow scores are handwritten on the printed forms and signed by the scorer (Wyburn) not typed onto the form. All his details are also handwritten on the score sheet by me and it is signed by me and the vet taking the Xrays.

same here Janba! I was shown the scores results signed by both the vet and the owner's name.

I seem to recall where, on a form giving a clear result, the dogs name was changed. So a dog that tested carrier or affected appeared to have a clear certificate. This was a Border Collie I think and was discussed here on DOL a few years ago

my puppy is not a Border Collie but my breeder did mention case like this happened to them beforehand. someone (i guess byb?? ) used the certificate and changed the dog's name.

If your puppy is a GSD from a registered breeder, our club code of ethics requires that we provide the information. We get a copy of the hand written results from Lavelle and the club gets a copy and they send us a certificate. Results are then reported annually in the clubs Breed Survey book.I am sorry but no matter what breed you should get a copy even if the breeder writes copy on the paperwork. All I know is that I provide copies of all relevant documents, and most breed clubs require their members to provide them.FH

So what is stopping someone photoshopping a copy changing the dogs name to a dog who hasn't been scored and sending that into the club......does the club check that the copy they receive is a valid copy?

How exactly would documents be "misused"?

Could the documents be falsified and therefore breeder doesn't want copies out there, dates, vets etc in case someone checks up on them?

I don't think my breeder is afraid of people checking up on them. They are very well known in this breed and are listed on the breed's club.

[Santo66]

I seem to recall where, on a form giving a clear result, the dogs name was changed. So a dog that tested carrier or affected appeared to have a clear certificate. This was a Border Collie I think and was discussed here on DOL a few years ago

Yes, there was another a couple of years ago with a working line GSD. It was alleged that a hip and elbow score sheet from a healthy dog had been photoshopped/copied with a change of dog's name to verify the dog had been hip and elbow scored and had passed health requirements prior to sale. The new owner had the dog re-xrayed and scored after discovering lameness to find the dog had HD a hip score in the 80's

[SkySoaringMagpie]

I don't think my breeder is afraid of people checking up on them. They are very well known in this breed and are listed on the breed's club.

I don't know what breed you are talking about, but in many breeds this is no guarantee of anything.

[SkySoaringMagpie]

I solve it to some extent by having all my dogs results officially recorded by OFA. Anyone can view them if they want. Can't see how that can be misused. For example: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1466783#animal

Can you add dogs if they don't have a orthopedic test result? I notice your other test results are up there like cardiac. I'd love to have mine on a register like that.

[espinay2]

I solve it to some extent by having all my dogs results officially recorded by OFA. Anyone can view them if they want. Can't see how that can be misused. For example: http://www.offa.org/...=1466783#animal

Can you add dogs if they don't have a orthopedic test result? I notice your other test results are up there like cardiac. I'd love to have mine on a register like that.

Yes, they do all health tests, not just hips and elbows etc. Entering the Australian results is new, and my dogs were used as a test case by OFA for entering the data, as they have had a bit of interest from Australia lately. I did it with the specific purpose of obtaining CHIC certification for my dogs, but it is useful to have all the data 'officially' up there.

I note that Saluki isn't listed as part of the CHIC program, though IW and Afghans are - Saluki are listed by OFA in the database though and if you look at some of the entries, some have just things like cardiac etc listed http://www.offa.org/...?page=4#results .

Generally you pay a US$25 fee per dog I think for the entry of overseas data (a one off fee fo9r all results including future ones for that dog if I remember correctly but you may want to check that in case I am wrong - mine was a little 'different'....), provide the overseas results and they will enter the data. I do some of my testing through them - patellas and DNA for DM, but most of the ones I have provided to them are AVA hips and elbows, ACES eyes and cardiac certs done here etc.

To the OP, being able to view the official health results while at the breeders is IMO reasonable, and if you don't understand what you are seeing, get the breeder to explain it to you. Take your time looking at them if you need to. She is not hiding them from you, just has her reasons for not making copies which in some ways I do understand if she has been burnt before.

Edited March 4, 2013 by espinay2

[SkySoaringMagpie]

espinay :)

[Sheridan]

Depends on the test. I got a simple email for Grumpy's PLN results.

[merikuri]

To the OP, being able to view the official health results while at the breeders is IMO reasonable, and if you don't understand what you are seeing, get the breeder to explain it to you. Take your time looking at them if you need to. She is not hiding them from you, just has her reasons for not making copies which in some ways I do understand if she has been burnt before.

thanks espinay! I will get my breeder to show me again when I visit her next time! She did explain to me every item on the results the first time and I really took my time to look at these results! :laugh:

[perrin]

I remember the BC incident. Mostly because the person was also involved in other questionable activities at the time. I've always wondered what happened.

[Diva]

I solve it to some extent by having all my dogs results officially recorded by OFA. Anyone can view them if they want. Can't see how that can be misused. For example: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1466783#animal

Can you add dogs if they don't have a orthopedic test result? I notice your other test results are up there like cardiac. I'd love to have mine on a register like that.

I did my Degenerative Myelopathy DNA test through OFA so it was listed directly. Would be good to get heart results on there.

Edited March 6, 2013 by Diva