_PL_ Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 Sorry about your little Loxy Kirty how sad. re the keeping of odd or exotic pets. There's plenty of wild species being kept in captivity or as pets depending on what you want from an animal. You can't exactly cuddle a tortoise but people do own them. Because of the reptile and amphibian keepers in NSW, a license and class system was put in place so the authorities can keep track of who owns, who sells and what experience the owner has. Beginners aren't allowed to have (for example) brown snakes but may begin with a Children's Python once they join a herp society and learn about care & keeping. Maybe, when enough are being kept the DPI and Parks&Wildlife will bring in the same setup. It wouldn't be a bad thing. Best for the foxes because they are here and people will keep them anyway. Dingoes: regulated. ACT had the same for native or exotic birds. In VIC you were allowed to keep certain marsupials under a similar system. Not sure if it's still going. Good luck to the group, it's a novel idea :) but I'd be putting energy into having pet foxes recognised and regulated somehow because no matter how stringently you check homes or how diligent you are with your rescue, owners do on-sell pets to the wrong people. That's where we'll see trouble and negative publicity. It's too early to speculate how well this new idea will work. Dogmad, they pretty much established that ferrets perish in the wild within a short time and aren't like their weasel cousins. Their breeding season is weird too and that makes it more complicated again, getting a wild colony started just hasn't happened (or would be 1 in a million) as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 WIW - they are completely vetworked. And as far as I know, it is already illegal to release them back into the wild. What about the damage that humans do to the environment? Or cats? According to my uni lecturer (who was perhaps one of the most knowledgeable fox people around) foxes prey mainly on rabbits. They only switch to other animals when rabbit number decrease. Humans have done far more damage to our environment than any other single species on the planet. Our ecology is already so messed up that most native animals have adapted to having foxes and cats around. People can already buy a block of land adjacent to a piece of bush or rainforest and then let their beloved kitty wreak havoc on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Is ferretting still legal here? I must say though, I have never seen a "feral" ferret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 There are people in this country who already love foxes. There are also people in this country who love kangaroos, but they are routinely culled. In fact, there are lots of native species that get culled, despite people loving them - galahs, cockatoos, corellas, dingos, etc. In Tasmania, they wipe out entire forests and then bait the native animals that get left behind (possums, wallabies, etc). If they are such a pest, why are they not classified as a declared pest by the NSW government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polecatty Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Is ferretting still legal here? I must say though, I have never seen a "feral" ferret Sure is! We go out ferreting every week from April to October. It's a great way of filling the fridge with good lean meat. I've never seen a feral ferret either and I spend a lot of time in the bush. I did find a lost worker once-he was down a rabbit warren and popped his head up when I started to set my nets. He was very hungry and VERY happy to see people. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 And just to clarify, that article is about someone who ADOPTED a fox, not the founder of the organisation. The ADOPTER is 23, not the person who runs the shelter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 This is not about Ferrets, it's about Foxes. I will be using all available avenues to have these people shut down and i will push to make it illegal to keep a Fox as a pet. I will also be contacting the Game Council in person and seeking assistance from other lobby groups such as the Farmers Federation. I don't think there will be much opposition to making it illegal to keep a fox as a pet or to make it compulsary to euth any Fox caught or found. I'll be making a start on it this week and hopefully if the right people are contacted, it should slide through with little oppositon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polecatty Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 It isn't up to you to police what people discuss in a thread, WreckitWhippet. :) Thread discussions often evolve and go in various directions- you do not need to participate in such sub-conversations if you do not wish. If Troy has a problem with people talking about ferrets in this thread I'm sure he will step in. You seem to have an unfortunate attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Some people have too much time on their hands. I have to agree that cats do more damage than foxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Anyone who is interested enough to want to shut these people down should write to the following All National Party Members in NSW The Farmers Federation All Shooters Party Members The DPI Game Council Given the current political climate in NSW, there will be little if any opposition to eradicating a pest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbaudry Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Fee there are some really nasty pieces of work around here... Sorry about your Loxy, Kirty... They are amazing creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Calling for a ban on keeping a feral pest, is hardly nasty and I'm surprised that it hadn't been made the law a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Calling for a ban on keeping a feral pest, is hardly nasty and I'm surprised that it hadn't been made the law a long time ago. Maybe it's your tone that people are taking exception to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Calling for a ban on keeping a feral pest, is hardly nasty and I'm surprised that it hadn't been made the law a long time ago. Maybe it's your tone that people are taking exception to? I'll fluff it up a bit for those that are easily offended then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polecatty Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Calling for a ban on keeping a feral pest, is hardly nasty and I'm surprised that it hadn't been made the law a long time ago. No, it is quite nasty and your tone is making you come across as being quite petty and unpleasant. There is no evidence that the activities of this rescue group have impacted negatively upon landowners or native animals which are the key issues of the fox population in Australia, and no evidence that they are not doing their very best to ensure that the foxes are placed responsibly. You have made unfounded accusations regarding the operation of this rescue by claiming that they do no vet work prior to sale- a clearly baseless and unjust accusation given that they state clearly on their website that they do indeed have their animals vetted. Very common mudslinging behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polecatty Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Calling for a ban on keeping a feral pest, is hardly nasty and I'm surprised that it hadn't been made the law a long time ago. Maybe it's your tone that people are taking exception to? I'll fluff it up a bit for those that are easily offended then. I don't think people are offended- I certainly am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 You haven't answered my questions - if they are so terrible, why hasn't NSW declared them a pest? What exactly is wrong with keeping them as pets vs a dog or cat or snake etc? Why do you have your heart set on destroying a group of people doing nothing wrong??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Calling for a ban on keeping a feral pest, is hardly nasty and I'm surprised that it hadn't been made the law a long time ago. No, it is quite nasty and your tone is making you come across as being quite petty and unpleasant. There is no evidence that the activities of this rescue group have impacted negatively upon landowners or native animals which are the key issues of the fox population in Australia, and no evidence that they are not doing their very best to ensure that the foxes are placed responsibly. No, wreckit has been very reasonable. She has explained her objections and is willing to act on them. She doesn't deserve to be attacked personally for this. There is no evidence that selling foxes as pets in suburbia will not lead to problems. Many have been spoken about here. Who cares how hard they try to do their best, they really do sound very misguided to me. Let them prove that they have the credentials to do this and that they understand the bigger picture. They need to provide the evidence that what they are doing is worthwhile, they should not expect the public to blindly accept whatever they say, and they should expect some opposition from those who are unconvinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Calling for a ban on keeping a feral pest, is hardly nasty and I'm surprised that it hadn't been made the law a long time ago. No, it is quite nasty and your tone is making you come across as being quite petty and unpleasant. There is no evidence that the activities of this rescue group have impacted negatively upon landowners or native animals which are the key issues of the fox population in Australia, and no evidence that they are not doing their very best to ensure that the foxes are placed responsibly. You have made unfounded accusations regarding the operation of this rescue by claiming that they do no vet work prior to sale- a clearly baseless and unjust accusation given that they state clearly on their website that they do indeed have their animals vetted. Very common mudslinging behaviour. They shouldn't be "placing" a feral animal full stop. They are not a "pet" , they are a wild animal and a pest at that. There is no legislation in place for the keeping of a Fox, they do not fall under the Companion Animals Act, it's pretty much a free for all, there is nothing in place to ensure they are properly cared for or managed. I'm still shaking my head that some tree hugging hippies think that it's acceptable to "rescue" and rehome a pest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efowler Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 And just to clarify, that article is about someone who ADOPTED a fox, not the founder of the organisation. The ADOPTER is 23, not the person who runs the shelter. Sorry to hear about your Loxy, Kirty. I don't want to get involved, as I don't have a major problem with it if they are desexed and rehomed responsibly. But I will add that even if the founder of the organisation was 23 that shouldn't matter! I am only 23, have been around animals my entire life, have been involved in rescue for 5 years, including running a rescue for the last 2 years. I have a Bachelor of Animal Science Honours, specialising in companion animal welfare and management and a graduate diploma, plus numerous courses. You would be surprised what the younger generation is capable of, 90% of our rescue organisation are under 25. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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