ness Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Thanks bianca - sounds like you could use as much luck as we could :D. I am so over this dragging on and on but when Kenz is still clearly having issues I am not convinced we are at the bottom of it yet . It is nice to see her back to her usual full on self though. She is still struggling with leash walks though so I am avoiding those and just letting her run at the park or go to the beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*kirty* Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I wonder if the suture could have stretched or come undone? Glad to hear she is doing well on the pain relief. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Yeah i am not sure on this whole internal suture argument - especially since two specialists aren't convinced. I do know its a 20 min procedure to remove it but she will then need resting for a fortnight. I really don't want to go down the path of opening her up if its not going to actually help and with 2 out of 3 suggesting it will not be of any value you have to er to the side of the majority for the moment I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianca.a Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I am so sorry, what a decision to have to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Ness - o don't envy your situation. I guess at least this means it isn't neurological? Can dogs have natural anti inflame such as turmeric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 If I had given Fern painkillers she would still have limped because the joint had scarred over. She was limping due to mechanics not pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 No its not neurological as far as I can tell - sooooo wish I could have those months back last year when we were chasing something it wasn't . Kenz isn't "limping" as such its a little hard to explain she just doesn't put her full weight on the leg and shuts down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascalmyshadow Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 The suture could definitely be causing this much trouble. My old poodle had her first cruciate surgery three years ago, about 12 months later she became very sore and lame on that leg, we though she had redone the cruciate but she hadn't. When they went back in the nylon suture had broken through and had to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thanks for your response re the suture Rascalmyshadow - did they only come to the conclusion it was probably the suture when they went back in??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thanks for your response re the suture Rascalmyshadow - did they only come to the conclusion it was probably the suture when they went back in??? My vet said that the suture had failed without surgery. Just by manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Hmm I think Kenz's situation is a little different JulesP - the suture was only used to protect the soft tissue repair while it was healing it was not "functional" as such. Her MPL repair failed because not enough was done in hindsight not because of whatever has gone on with this suture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Hmm I think Kenz's situation is a little different JulesP - the suture was only used to protect the soft tissue repair while it was healing it was not "functional" as such. Her MPL repair failed because not enough was done in hindsight not because of whatever has gone on with this suture. You asked Rascalmyshadow the question and as I had a similar issue I responded with my experience. Just trying to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Fair enough sorry JulesP :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 If the repair done relied on the suture then you would eb able to feel by manipulation, however if as in Kenz's case it was to support her soft tissue I woudl assume the only way they will know if it is casuing an issue is to go back in. I am thinking becasue the painkillers have helped she must be experiencing some pain, but there must be some sort of mechanical issue as well which causes her issues. The unfortunate thing is you have to spend the money, put her through surgery and rehab to know IF the suture has casued a mechanical issue or not. If it isn't the poor girl has gone through it all again for no real gain, if so then you should have a sound dog after all the rehab etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascalmyshadow Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 The vets suspected what the problem was but it wasn't confirmed until they went back in. If the knot of the suture material is poking or pulling the skin that can cause enough discomfort to look like a major problem, I experienced this myself after having a Caesarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thanks for your response Rascal :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascalmyshadow Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 No worries, vets can be very frustrating even when you work in a vet clinic. I have come to realise over the years you need to do your research before seeing any vet. It took me 6 months to finally convince them to do my girls first surgery, they kept telling me it was only a partial rupture, turns out it was fully ruptured. Poor girl has more arthritic changes because it was left too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Oh god I know - Kenz's LH MPL was diagnosed by chance because I was insistent there was something the matter in that hind leg. She was actually in the middle of having her shoulder treated for biceps tendonitis at the time. I had done my research, I continue to do my research and we will work out what is going on eventually. Just frustrating when they categorically tell you one thing, lead you down a garden path and then 8 months later say well guess what . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverStar-Aura Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I'm so sorry to read about the horrible time you're having with Kenzie Is getting another opinion an option? I'm just wondering if a fresh pair of eyes with no prior knowledge might be helpful. Sorry I've got nothing remotely helpful to suggest but my thoughts are with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 We did get a second opinion - it really didn't shed much light on anything. She is currently on lots of pain meds but she is still having issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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