Family Pet Mauled To Death

[Rebanne]

People need to stop feeding the troll please.

It's just trivialising the awful event that happened.

[Nic.B]

nic you seem to have a real attitude what in my post could you find so frustrating

I am very sorry Staffy Dave, my mistake, responded to the wrong post

I agree with what you have written re large or small dog owners. I have only ever had one small breed (and he is an incredible little bloke who holds my heart in his paws) I have always have had medium/large breeds since a little kid.

Care needs to be taken re size difference when introducing unknown dogs. I do not agree with smalls banging on toward any size or breed, though a small dog barking and even an unsocial small breed should not equate to a serious attack IMO.

[Nic.B]

When my 3 small dogs and I were confronted by an off leash German Shepherd who ran out of its driveway and chased after us, the owners told me it was all my fault because I was walking 3 dogs along the pavement on the lead rather than one - they didn't make a sound by the way. I can assure you that whether I'd had 1, 2, 3 or 4 (the legal limit) there would have been no difference in the Shepherd's response.

The owners were extremely abusive as I asked them to get their dog under control. They had no gates to even close so they shouldn't have any dog off leash in their front yard.

I called council and they said that dog owners that allow their dogs to do this have no concept of how it affects people unless a dog much larger than theirs threatens them.

I've encountered both situations and I agree, when a larger dog goes for your dog it is scary and not acceptable, especially if unprovoked. I can think of two different larger dogs that attacked my last dog, I couldn't count the number of little yappers that aggressively approached him though. Neither situation is acceptable and I find it amazing on a forum like this where so many claim to be experts on dog behaviour that some of those so called experts seem to think that a small dog doing it is fine.

ETA : In my experience owners of little yappy fluffballs who allow their dogs to aggressively approach other dogs have no concept of how it affects the owners of the other dog. Although I've been lucky to have a fairly non-reactive dog I was always worried when he was targeted by a yapper - clearly I wasn't worried about the little yapper doing damage to him but what if he did react? There would be no mention in the news report that said little yapper started it, it would be all my, and my dogs fault! Do you clowns not realise that?

Clowns You are the clown! If you are not able to manage your dog then perhaps you need pro advice. I am glad you do not have any of my dogs on lead or otherwise.

You are not able to manage your dog (even when on lead) when a small or larger breed approaches!

Have you stopped for even a moment and considered the disservice you are giving your own dog? You are setting up your dog for failure. You have stated your dog has been attacked more than once. I am not suprised at all.

My Bull Arab will roll over on her back like a lump when my SB corrects her bouncy and silly antics.

When out in the community Fern will submit instantly to any unknown dog (large or small breed) She is a well socialised large breed.

Seriously, let me just ask you this, we have already gone through size differences;

What is your opinion on age difference between two dogs? same size.

Say one is 18 months old and the other is 6 months.

[Nic.B]

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'I wonder how some of these small dog owners would feel if they owned a larger breed'

:laugh: I have only ever owned one small breed in my entire life. Billy lives with a large breed and two medium breeds.

[Nic.B]

No mymatejack... the issue is whether any dog should react to any stimuli in a way that causes the death of another dog. Quite simply... it's NOT tolerated.

The people posting here who have small dogs AREN'T defending the fact that some small breed dogs may have owners that allow them to display inapporpriate behaviours in public spaces - but they ARE defending their right to be able to walk THEIR dogs without being targetted by larger breed dogs whose owners haven't socialised them properly.

But you are probably going to keep ignoring that fact, aren't you? It's way more fun for you to make this about "small yappies getting their just desserts"... *sigh*

T.

[Nic.B]

People need to stop feeding the troll please.

It's just trivialising the awful event that happened.

Sorry Rebanne, should know better though this flip is seriously giving me the creeps!

[Rebanne]

Seriously, let me just ask you this, we have already gone through size differences;

What is your opinion on age difference between two dogs? same size.

Say one is 18 months old and the other is 6 months.

please start a new thread

[Sheridan]

People need to stop feeding the troll please.

It's just trivialising the awful event that happened.

I'm trying to work who the troll is. The wording and style is quite familiar.

[mantis]

I've had my large dogs aggressively rushed by small dogs many times... but it's still MY responsibility to make sure that MY dogs don't react to the "threat" in a negative manner...

Everyone is responsible for their OWN dogs' behaviour in public... and no-one should expect to be rushed or attacked by ANY dog. BUT, if you own a dog that could do lethal damage and is likely to react badly in public, then please either keep the dog at home, get a qualified behaviourist/trainer, and only ever take the dog to places where it won't be stimulated to react badly.

It is NOT your "right" to exercise a reactive dog in a public space where it could do something unexpected and either injure or kill another dog - provoked or otherwise.

T.

If all owners of dogs either big dogs or small, followed the law & never let their dogs off leash, except in off leash areas, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, why should people with FA dogs have to keep their dogs prisoners, because of irresponsible owners? You do realise that dogs become FA, after being attacked by off leash dogs, while they were on lead aren't you?

Honestly, it just annoys me that people think that because big dogs can cause more damage, they are the only ones who should follow the law.

I do agree with the OP, the dogs in this case are definitely in the wrong & I feel sorry for the poor dog & the owners.

[Sheridan]

I think, Mantis, that no one here has said that people should not follow the law.

[Santo66]

The report said that the little dog was standing there waiting for "action" meaning what exactly is the unknown?. Was it a victim of a predatory attack or did the little dog display some threating "action" towards the bigger dog triggering a lethal response? Dogs can't be expected to respond in defence or challenge to varing degrees of force in accordance with their opponents size and strength. We can't expect dogs to honour our laws of reasonable force to diffuse a situation, if fixing the problem to a dog means a nip or a maulling could be simply a size differential thing. Because the dog was small makes the attacking dog a killer through certain eyes, now if the poor little Schnauzer was a Rottweiller then the incident could have merely been a bit of a scrap that everyone would take in their stride as a non event.

Little dogs don't always see consequence if at all that a bigger dog could easily kill them, if a little dog picks a fight they can't handle due to size difference, loosing the fight to death doesn't necessarily make the winning dog a bad dog, a killer or predator. Of course on the other hand we are aware of larger dogs who do act in a predatory manner with small dogs and will attack because they can......so there is really not enough information to go on here as to what happened.......of course the victim will say that their little dog was innocently maulled which is human nature, but I guess, was that really the case in this situation?.

As far as the law goes, it's a statuatory defence across all states of Australia that dog can attack if provoked. There is absolutely no laws that prevent a dog defending it's self on leash when attacked by an off leash dog regardless of size or outcome. There is no requirement for any dog owner to muzzle or prevent their dog from defence of attack from another dog, even if the owner knows that their dog will attack an off leash dog approaching......in law, the approaching dog be it friendly or aggressive shouldn't be off leash in the first instance in a public place, the leashed dog has rights of law.........off leash areas are a different story obviously.

[Sheridan]

Now, Nic.B may have got the wrong in her response but that really does deserve a :banghead:, Santo66.

I don't know why you, mymatejack and Mantis don't understand this simple point: one dog killing another = bad.

It's a pretty simple thing that has nothing to with the size of the dog.

[mantis]

I think, Mantis, that no one here has said that people should not follow the law.

tdierixz said that if you have a dog who will react to being rushed by on off leash dog, we should not walk them.

As you know this is a sore point for me, having had a friendly dog turned FA because of off leash dogs, it isn't fair that people who do the right thing are expected to keep their dogs prisoners, just because they are large & can hurt an attacking dog of any size.

[Sheridan]

I think, Mantis, that no one here has said that people should not follow the law.

tdierixz said that if you have a dog who will react to being rushed by on off leash dog, we should not walk them.

As you know this is a sore point for me, having had a friendly dog turned FA because of off leash dogs, it isn't fair that people who do the right thing are expected to keep their dogs prisoners, just because they are large & can hurt an attacking dog of any size.

I know that but I can't see how tdierixz is saying break the law? If you want to defend the dog that killed this schnauzer then you're well out of line. This isn't actually about you or Kenny.

[Nic.B]

I've had my large dogs aggressively rushed by small dogs many times... but it's still MY responsibility to make sure that MY dogs don't react to the "threat" in a negative manner...

Everyone is responsible for their OWN dogs' behaviour in public... and no-one should expect to be rushed or attacked by ANY dog. BUT, if you own a dog that could do lethal damage and is likely to react badly in public, then please either keep the dog at home, get a qualified behaviourist/trainer, and only ever take the dog to places where it won't be stimulated to react badly.

It is NOT your "right" to exercise a reactive dog in a public space where it could do something unexpected and either injure or kill another dog - provoked or otherwise.

T.

If all owners of dogs either big dogs or small, followed the law & never let their dogs off leash, except in off leash areas, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, why should people with FA dogs have to keep their dogs prisoners, because of irresponsible owners? You do realise that dogs become FA, after being attacked by off leash dogs, while they were on lead aren't you?

Honestly, it just annoys me that people think that because big dogs can cause more damage, they are the only ones who should follow the law.

I do agree with the OP, the dogs in this case are definitely in the wrong & I feel sorry for the poor dog & the owners.

What exactly is your problem Mantis? You either have a FA or DA dog in a public area?

Surely as a responsible owner you would either; avoid setting the dog up for failure in the first place; or as an owner who KNOWS your dog is either FA or DA you make SURE your dog is not forced into a position to fail.

ETA Spelling.

Edited March 3, 2013 by Nic.B

[mantis]

I think, Mantis, that no one here has said that people should not follow the law.

tdierixz said that if you have a dog who will react to being rushed by on off leash dog, we should not walk them.

As you know this is a sore point for me, having had a friendly dog turned FA because of off leash dogs, it isn't fair that people who do the right thing are expected to keep their dogs prisoners, just because they are large & can hurt an attacking dog of any size.

I know that but I can't see how tdierixz is saying break the law? If you want to defend the dog that killed this schnauzer then you're well out of line. This isn't actually about you or Kenny.

If you read my other post, I never defended that dog & said it was to blame, because it was off lead & the owner hopefully is found & punished.

[mantis]

I've had my large dogs aggressively rushed by small dogs many times... but it's still MY responsibility to make sure that MY dogs don't react to the "threat" in a negative manner...

Everyone is responsible for their OWN dogs' behaviour in public... and no-one should expect to be rushed or attacked by ANY dog. BUT, if you own a dog that could do lethal damage and is likely to react badly in public, then please either keep the dog at home, get a qualified behaviourist/trainer, and only ever take the dog to places where it won't be stimulated to react badly.

It is NOT your "right" to exercise a reactive dog in a public space where it could do something unexpected and either injure or kill another dog - provoked or otherwise.

T.

If all owners of dogs either big dogs or small, followed the law & never let their dogs off leash, except in off leash areas, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, why should people with FA dogs have to keep their dogs prisoners, because of irresponsible owners? You do realise that dogs become FA, after being attacked by off leash dogs, while they were on lead aren't you?

Honestly, it just annoys me that people think that because big dogs can cause more damage, they are the only ones who should follow the law.

I do agree with the OP, the dogs in this case are definitely in the wrong & I feel sorry for the poor dog & the owners.

What exactly is your problem Mantis? You either have a FA or DA dog in a public area?

Surely as a responsible owner you would either; avoid setting the dog up for failure in the first place; or as an owner who KNOWS your dog is either FA or DA you make SURE your dog is not forced into a position to fail.

ETA Spelling.

Your reply is my problem, if I as a responsible owner walks my dog on lead & doesn't go to off lead areas, I should be able to walk my dog without fear of it being attacked.

Because of the attitude of some people on here & moron dog owners in the community, I am to scared to walk my new dog Cougar, in case she ends up like my poor Kenny.

It's total bull****, keep your dogs on lead if you don't want them hurt & to stop them hurting other dogs, big or small, how hard is that?

[Sheridan]

Mantis, no one is stopping you walking your dog but you. No one on DOL is stopping you walking your dog, your own fear is.

[Nic.B]

I've had my large dogs aggressively rushed by small dogs many times... but it's still MY responsibility to make sure that MY dogs don't react to the "threat" in a negative manner...

Everyone is responsible for their OWN dogs' behaviour in public... and no-one should expect to be rushed or attacked by ANY dog. BUT, if you own a dog that could do lethal damage and is likely to react badly in public, then please either keep the dog at home, get a qualified behaviourist/trainer, and only ever take the dog to places where it won't be stimulated to react badly.

It is NOT your "right" to exercise a reactive dog in a public space where it could do something unexpected and either injure or kill another dog - provoked or otherwise.

T.

If all owners of dogs either big dogs or small, followed the law & never let their dogs off leash, except in off leash areas, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, why should people with FA dogs have to keep their dogs prisoners, because of irresponsible owners? You do realise that dogs become FA, after being attacked by off leash dogs, while they were on lead aren't you?

Honestly, it just annoys me that people think that because big dogs can cause more damage, they are the only ones who should follow the law.

I do agree with the OP, the dogs in this case are definitely in the wrong & I feel sorry for the poor dog & the owners.

What exactly is your problem Mantis? You either have a FA or DA dog in a public area?

Surely as a responsible owner you would either; avoid setting the dog up for failure in the first place; or as an owner who KNOWS your dog is either FA or DA you make SURE your dog is not forced into a position to fail.

ETA Spelling.

Your reply is my problem, if I as a responsible owner walks my dog on lead & doesn't go to off lead areas, I should be able to walk my dog without fear of it being attacked.

Because of the attitude of some people on here & moron dog owners in the community, I am to scared to walk my new dog Cougar, in case she ends up like my poor Kenny.

It's total bull****, keep your dogs on lead if you don't want them hurt & to stop them hurting other dogs, big or small, how hard is that?

If you are a responsible "dog owner" and you walk large or small breed/s on lead, in a public area: What is your problem you flip?

[Nic.B]

I've had my large dogs aggressively rushed by small dogs many times... but it's still MY responsibility to make sure that MY dogs don't react to the "threat" in a negative manner...

Everyone is responsible for their OWN dogs' behaviour in public... and no-one should expect to be rushed or attacked by ANY dog. BUT, if you own a dog that could do lethal damage and is likely to react badly in public, then please either keep the dog at home, get a qualified behaviourist/trainer, and only ever take the dog to places where it won't be stimulated to react badly.

It is NOT your "right" to exercise a reactive dog in a public space where it could do something unexpected and either injure or kill another dog - provoked or otherwise.

T.

If all owners of dogs either big dogs or small, followed the law & never let their dogs off leash, except in off leash areas, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, why should people with FA dogs have to keep their dogs prisoners, because of irresponsible owners? You do realise that dogs become FA, after being attacked by off leash dogs, while they were on lead aren't you?

Honestly, it just annoys me that people think that because big dogs can cause more damage, they are the only ones who should follow the law.

I do agree with the OP, the dogs in this case are definitely in the wrong & I feel sorry for the poor dog & the owners.

What exactly is your problem Mantis? You either have a FA or DA dog in a public area?

Surely as a responsible owner you would either; avoid setting the dog up for failure in the first place; or as an owner who KNOWS your dog is either FA or DA you make SURE your dog is not forced into a position to fail.

ETA Spelling.

Your reply is my problem, if I as a responsible owner walks my dog on lead & doesn't go to off lead areas, I should be able to walk my dog without fear of it being attacked.

Because of the attitude of some people on here & moron dog owners in the community, I am to scared to walk my new dog Cougar, in case she ends up like my poor Kenny.

It's total bull****, keep your dogs on lead if you don't want them hurt & to stop them hurting other dogs, big or small, how hard is that?

A fully expected reply and a really crap response.