Family Pet Mauled To Death

[mymatejack]

blah ... why bother when people can't take what is written without trying to add some interpretation?

Given that we are all interpreting your posts the same way, perhaps the issue is in the delivery rather than the interpretation.

"did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!"

I've been accused of all sorts of things in this thread. I've been accused of suggesting that a small dog yapping at a larger dog somehow justified the small dog getting ripped to shreds. I look forward to someone showing me where I said that - not some ridiculous extrapolation of what i've said, what i actually said!

Edited February 26, 2013 by mymatejack

[Sheridan]

What you actually said:

and yet another case of stupidity by the media reporting that the dog was "believed" to be a certain breed.

As for the bloke punching the dog in the head, mate, stick ya boots into it's ribs with all the force you can muster, hitting a dog in the head will only hurt you.

I do feel very sorry for the family, but i'd like to know the full story, did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!

[Malti]

R.I.P Elfie how shattering for the owner my thoughts are with them

[mymatejack]

What you actually said:

and yet another case of stupidity by the media reporting that the dog was "believed" to be a certain breed.

As for the bloke punching the dog in the head, mate, stick ya boots into it's ribs with all the force you can muster, hitting a dog in the head will only hurt you.

I do feel very sorry for the family, but i'd like to know the full story, did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!

You clearly can't show where I said any of the things that you and others have accused me of saying.

[hortfurball]

blah ... why bother when people can't take what is written without trying to add some interpretation?

Given that we are all interpreting your posts the same way, perhaps the issue is in the delivery rather than the interpretation.

"did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!"

I've been accused of all sorts of things in this thread. I've been accused of suggesting that a small dog yapping at a larger dog somehow justified the small dog getting ripped to shreds. I look forward to someone showing me where I said that - not some ridiculous extrapolation of what i've said, what i actually said!

The 'ridiculous extrapolation' that you so kindly quoted again above was a direct quote from you. I've bolded it for your easy reference.

You suggested that the fault might lie with the little dog's actions, and then were incredibly rude and insensitive to small dog owners, basically suggesting everyone should 'control their yapping little shits.' That one's NOT a direct quote, but I can't be bothered going back and searching seven pages for more of your posts for the one I refer to. I can't believe that with all of these people telling you how unreasonable your posts are coming across in this thread, that it doesn't occur to you that there may be some merit to what we say.

[Sheridan]

What you actually said:

and yet another case of stupidity by the media reporting that the dog was "believed" to be a certain breed.

As for the bloke punching the dog in the head, mate, stick ya boots into it's ribs with all the force you can muster, hitting a dog in the head will only hurt you.

I do feel very sorry for the family, but i'd like to know the full story, did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!

You clearly can't show where I said any of the things that you and others have accused me of saying.

You immediately suggested the dog that was killed was to blame and clearly despite your token, 'I feel very sorry for the family' you clearly don't given what you followed it with.

[Aetherglow]

Pepper Spray? never used it, just asking, but if i and my dog were being rushed and it was serious, would have no hesitiation in using it, regardless of what it did to the other dog.

Has anyone ever heard of it being used on dogs? Does it work?

It's illegal for anyone except police/security to carry, I think. There was a case a couple of years ago of a large breed dog - I think it was a Dogue de Bordeaux - that died after being sprayed with pepper spray by police. I suppose you could say it "worked", for a certain definition of "worked".

[mymatejack]

blah ... why bother when people can't take what is written without trying to add some interpretation?

Given that we are all interpreting your posts the same way, perhaps the issue is in the delivery rather than the interpretation.

"did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!"

I've been accused of all sorts of things in this thread. I've been accused of suggesting that a small dog yapping at a larger dog somehow justified the small dog getting ripped to shreds. I look forward to someone showing me where I said that - not some ridiculous extrapolation of what i've said, what i actually said!

The 'ridiculous extrapolation' that you so kindly quoted again above was a direct quote from you. I've bolded it for your easy reference.

You suggested that the fault might lie with the little dog's actions, and then were incredibly rude and insensitive to small dog owners, basically suggesting everyone should 'control their yapping little shits.' That one's NOT a direct quote, but I can't be bothered going back and searching seven pages for more of your posts for the one I refer to. I can't believe that with all of these people telling you how unreasonable your posts are coming across in this thread, that it doesn't occur to you that there may be some merit to what we say.

Where did I say that a little dog yapping and carrying on JUSTIFIED an attack?

I was simply questioning whether there might be a little more to the story, I don't believe provocation is a justiable excuse for the outcome but it would go a long way to explaining what happened.

As far as offending owners of little dogs, if you own a little dog and it likes to go aggressively yapping at other dogs then I do hope you were offended and you might take something from what i've said. If you own a little dog that doesn't go aggressively yapping at other dogs then you have no reason to be offended!!! I'm absolutely sick of owners of little dogs who allow their dogs to provoke other dogs - I see it all the time, luckily the park/beach i go to daily is generally populated by well trained dogs, but I can imagine it's only a matter of time before someones dog who isn't as well trained and socialised as my own reacts to a little yapper and well the outcome could quickly become tragic like this one.

And I couldn't give a rodents rectum how many people jump into your little yapping pack accusing me of anything and everything. Not one accusation holds water with what I actually said!

[mantis]

blah ... why bother when people can't take what is written without trying to add some interpretation?

Given that we are all interpreting your posts the same way, perhaps the issue is in the delivery rather than the interpretation.

"did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!"

I've been accused of all sorts of things in this thread. I've been accused of suggesting that a small dog yapping at a larger dog somehow justified the small dog getting ripped to shreds. I look forward to someone showing me where I said that - not some ridiculous extrapolation of what i've said, what i actually said!

The 'ridiculous extrapolation' that you so kindly quoted again above was a direct quote from you. I've bolded it for your easy reference.

You suggested that the fault might lie with the little dog's actions, and then were incredibly rude and insensitive to small dog owners, basically suggesting everyone should 'control their yapping little shits.' That one's NOT a direct quote, but I can't be bothered going back and searching seven pages for more of your posts for the one I refer to. I can't believe that with all of these people telling you how unreasonable your posts are coming across in this thread, that it doesn't occur to you that there may be some merit to what we say.

Where did I say that a little dog yapping and carrying on JUSTIFIED an attack?

I was simply questioning whether there might be a little more to the story, I don't believe provocation is a justiable excuse for the outcome but it would go a long way to explaining what happened.

As far as offending owners of little dogs, if you own a little dog and it likes to go aggressively yapping at other dogs then I do hope you were offended and you might take something from what i've said. If you own a little dog that doesn't go aggressively yapping at other dogs then you have no reason to be offended!!! I'm absolutely sick of owners of little dogs who allow their dogs to provoke other dogs - I see it all the time, luckily the park/beach i go to daily is generally populated by well trained dogs, but I can imagine it's only a matter of time before someones dog who isn't as well trained and socialised as my own reacts to a little yapper and well the outcome could quickly become tragic like this one.

And I couldn't give a rodents rectum how many people jump into your little yapping pack accusing me of anything and everything. Not one accusation holds water with what I actually said!

I agree, especially when the owners of these dogs think it's cute & do nothing to stop them.

Irresponsible owners have all size dogs, but I am sick of the big dogs always getting the blame, just because of their size. Everyone feels sorry for the small dog, even if it was the one who started it.

[tdierikx]

As an owner of large dogs, I can see where some of the "detractors" are coming from with regards to certain small dogs and their owners' behaviours.

However - there is NO excuse for ANY dog to react to the presence of another dog to the point of killing it - provocation or not!

T.

[Cody]

Flogging and dead horses comes to mind reading this thread. The bitching is pathetic. Get over it and move on.

[Sheridan]

blah ... why bother when people can't take what is written without trying to add some interpretation?

Given that we are all interpreting your posts the same way, perhaps the issue is in the delivery rather than the interpretation.

"did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!"

I've been accused of all sorts of things in this thread. I've been accused of suggesting that a small dog yapping at a larger dog somehow justified the small dog getting ripped to shreds. I look forward to someone showing me where I said that - not some ridiculous extrapolation of what i've said, what i actually said!

The 'ridiculous extrapolation' that you so kindly quoted again above was a direct quote from you. I've bolded it for your easy reference.

You suggested that the fault might lie with the little dog's actions, and then were incredibly rude and insensitive to small dog owners, basically suggesting everyone should 'control their yapping little shits.' That one's NOT a direct quote, but I can't be bothered going back and searching seven pages for more of your posts for the one I refer to. I can't believe that with all of these people telling you how unreasonable your posts are coming across in this thread, that it doesn't occur to you that there may be some merit to what we say.

Where did I say that a little dog yapping and carrying on JUSTIFIED an attack?

I was simply questioning whether there might be a little more to the story, I don't believe provocation is a justiable excuse for the outcome but it would go a long way to explaining what happened.

As far as offending owners of little dogs, if you own a little dog and it likes to go aggressively yapping at other dogs then I do hope you were offended and you might take something from what i've said. If you own a little dog that doesn't go aggressively yapping at other dogs then you have no reason to be offended!!! I'm absolutely sick of owners of little dogs who allow their dogs to provoke other dogs - I see it all the time, luckily the park/beach i go to daily is generally populated by well trained dogs, but I can imagine it's only a matter of time before someones dog who isn't as well trained and socialised as my own reacts to a little yapper and well the outcome could quickly become tragic like this one.

And I couldn't give a rodents rectum how many people jump into your little yapping pack accusing me of anything and everything. Not one accusation holds water with what I actually said!

I agree, especially when the owners of these dogs think it's cute & do nothing to stop them.

Irresponsible owners have all size dogs, but I am sick of the big dogs always getting the blame, just because of their size. Everyone feels sorry for the small dog, even if it was the one who started it.

And I will say to you both: a dog 'yapping' does not justify one dog killing another. What it means is that that dog that killed should not be allowed off lead and the owner shouldn't have a dog at all. Do not try to make this about size because the dog that was killed was a mini schnauzer and despite the 'mini' sobriquet, it is not a midget.

Don't try to excuse this.

Edited February 28, 2013 by Sheridan

[Rosetta]

blah ... why bother when people can't take what is written without trying to add some interpretation?

Given that we are all interpreting your posts the same way, perhaps the issue is in the delivery rather than the interpretation.

"did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!"

I've been accused of all sorts of things in this thread. I've been accused of suggesting that a small dog yapping at a larger dog somehow justified the small dog getting ripped to shreds. I look forward to someone showing me where I said that - not some ridiculous extrapolation of what i've said, what i actually said!

The 'ridiculous extrapolation' that you so kindly quoted again above was a direct quote from you. I've bolded it for your easy reference.

You suggested that the fault might lie with the little dog's actions, and then were incredibly rude and insensitive to small dog owners, basically suggesting everyone should 'control their yapping little shits.' That one's NOT a direct quote, but I can't be bothered going back and searching seven pages for more of your posts for the one I refer to. I can't believe that with all of these people telling you how unreasonable your posts are coming across in this thread, that it doesn't occur to you that there may be some merit to what we say.

Where did I say that a little dog yapping and carrying on JUSTIFIED an attack?

I was simply questioning whether there might be a little more to the story, I don't believe provocation is a justiable excuse for the outcome but it would go a long way to explaining what happened.

As far as offending owners of little dogs, if you own a little dog and it likes to go aggressively yapping at other dogs then I do hope you were offended and you might take something from what i've said. If you own a little dog that doesn't go aggressively yapping at other dogs then you have no reason to be offended!!! I'm absolutely sick of owners of little dogs who allow their dogs to provoke other dogs - I see it all the time, luckily the park/beach i go to daily is generally populated by well trained dogs, but I can imagine it's only a matter of time before someones dog who isn't as well trained and socialised as my own reacts to a little yapper and well the outcome could quickly become tragic like this one.

And I couldn't give a rodents rectum how many people jump into your little yapping pack accusing me of anything and everything. Not one accusation holds water with what I actually said!

I agree, especially when the owners of these dogs think it's cute & do nothing to stop them.

Irresponsible owners have all size dogs, but I am sick of the big dogs always getting the blame, just because of their size. Everyone feels sorry for the small dog, even if it was the one who started it.

Started what? Barking at another dog is not the same as attacking.

Sorry it is just provocative to use terms like "yapping" etc when referring to small dogs - it just demonstrates the contempt some people hold small dogs in.

Anyway Jack will never "get" how tasteless his comments were in the context of the story so waste of breath really.

[Nic.B]

blah ... why bother when people can't take what is written without trying to add some interpretation?

Given that we are all interpreting your posts the same way, perhaps the issue is in the delivery rather than the interpretation.

"did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!"

I've been accused of all sorts of things in this thread. I've been accused of suggesting that a small dog yapping at a larger dog somehow justified the small dog getting ripped to shreds. I look forward to someone showing me where I said that - not some ridiculous extrapolation of what i've said, what i actually said!

The 'ridiculous extrapolation' that you so kindly quoted again above was a direct quote from you. I've bolded it for your easy reference.

You suggested that the fault might lie with the little dog's actions, and then were incredibly rude and insensitive to small dog owners, basically suggesting everyone should 'control their yapping little shits.' That one's NOT a direct quote, but I can't be bothered going back and searching seven pages for more of your posts for the one I refer to. I can't believe that with all of these people telling you how unreasonable your posts are coming across in this thread, that it doesn't occur to you that there may be some merit to what we say.

Where did I say that a little dog yapping and carrying on JUSTIFIED an attack?

I was simply questioning whether there might be a little more to the story, I don't believe provocation is a justiable excuse for the outcome but it would go a long way to explaining what happened.

As far as offending owners of little dogs, if you own a little dog and it likes to go aggressively yapping at other dogs then I do hope you were offended and you might take something from what i've said. If you own a little dog that doesn't go aggressively yapping at other dogs then you have no reason to be offended!!! I'm absolutely sick of owners of little dogs who allow their dogs to provoke other dogs - I see it all the time, luckily the park/beach i go to daily is generally populated by well trained dogs, but I can imagine it's only a matter of time before someones dog who isn't as well trained and socialised as my own reacts to a little yapper and well the outcome could quickly become tragic like this one.

And I couldn't give a rodents rectum how many people jump into your little yapping pack accusing me of anything and everything. Not one accusation holds water with what I actually said!

I agree, especially when the owners of these dogs think it's cute & do nothing to stop them.

Irresponsible owners have all size dogs, but I am sick of the big dogs always getting the blame, just because of their size. Everyone feels sorry for the small dog, even if it was the one who started it.

Oh please. You KNOW your OWN dogs. If you dont then you are setting your dogs up for failure. I have only had large breed dogs during my entire life, Billy is the one and only small breed I have ever owned. Billy is now 9 years old.

Ever heard of size difference and the impact that has upon smaller breeds when they meet unknown dogs?

Shock horror!!!!!!! Responsible dog owners keep the difference between large and small breeds in mind when introducing unknown dogs. Everyone knows that right?

[Greytmate]

Where did I say that a little dog yapping and carrying on JUSTIFIED an attack?

I was simply questioning whether there might be a little more to the story, I don't believe provocation is a justiable excuse for the outcome but it would go a long way to explaining what happened.

What do you think provocation means?

You can have any opinion you want of small, yappy and otherwise annoying dogs, but if a dog attacks another dog just for barking at it in a public place, that dog is not normal or safe. It should be declared dangerous or euthanised. If there is more to this story it is the history of this dog that attacked and why the owner decided to have it off lead.

A responsible owner would ensure that they would muzzle and have their dog on lead if it was likely to be provoked to attack by something as harmless as noise.

You might not like yappy dogs, but they have a right to exist and have a yap in public without being killed. The dog that died did nothing to provoke that level of aggression.

[mymatejack]

I think i'm going to start reporting these little yappers to the council for rushing me. Let them start declaring some of these little out of control ankle biters as dangerous dogs. Maybe then some of you will get the message that it's not ok for your little dogs to aggressively yap at other dogs/people(it is against the law no matter the size of your dog!!!).

Greytmate : A responsible owner wouldn't take an aggressive dog of any size to an offleash dog park, whether you keep it on leash or not - common sense says that someone's dog is going to approach yours and may react to your dogs aggressive behaviour.

Sheridan - please go and take a course in english comprehension!

[mymatejack]

Ever heard of size difference and the impact that has upon smaller breeds when they meet unknown dogs?

I have met plenty of small dogs that quite happily meet and greet my dog without issue. It's not simply a small dog thing, it's a lack of socialisation and training by owners who think their little fluffball can do no wrong and has the right to do whatever it pleases. Sounds to me like you're trying to justify your small dog acting aggressively toward other dogs?

[Greytmate]

I have met plenty of small dogs that quite happily meet and greet my dog without issue. It's not simply a small dog thing, it's a lack of socialisation and training by owners who think their little fluffball can do no wrong and has the right to do whatever it pleases. Sounds to me like you're trying to justify your small dog acting aggressively toward other dogs?

Sounds to me like you think that a small dog barking is a provocation for another dog to attack it. That's so wrong. Dogs are allowed to bark, barking isn't harmful. The dog that killed another dog on the beach is the dangerous one and is the problem here. It is entirely their owner's responsibility to keep their intolerant dog on lead and muzzled. Otherwise a dog like that should be euthanised.

[doggleworth]

and yet another case of stupidity by the media reporting that the dog was "believed" to be a certain breed.

As for the bloke punching the dog in the head, mate, stick ya boots into it's ribs with all the force you can muster, hitting a dog in the head will only hurt you.

I do feel very sorry for the family, but i'd like to know the full story, did their little fluffball yap and carry on toward the larger dog first or was it as portrayed, a completely unprovoked attack? Unfortunately we're never likely to know!

And now you make me see RED, here you go suggesting the small dog was to blame. Read the article again. The black dog was offleash. It was a much bigger dog. This was an unprovoked attack - it sounds like it was so sudden that noone had time to do much, they didn't see it coming! It RIPPED THE INNARDS out of the smaller dog.

What does it take to make you and people like you realise that this is abnormal? It is completely unacceptable and this owner should go to jail and pay an enormous fine, his dog should be euthanased. The owner did nothing at all to prevent this attack and I'd like to know how many other dogs and animals have been killed already by this large dog - you can put money on it that it's done it before.

wow, so many posters suggesting i'm excusing an unprovoked attack. Read what i actually said and try again. I did not place blame on either dog, I simply stated I'd really like to know the full story, not just what the media has told us. Did this occur in an offleash dog area? Did the larger dog approach the smaller dog and the larger dog ended up reacting to the smaller dog acting aggressively? Was the small dog really on leash? Lots of questions which we probably will never know the answer to.

What does it take to make people like me reaslie that this is abnormal? What does it take to make morons who own little yappy fluffballs to realise that it's not ok for their dog to aggressively approach other dogs? I didn't intend for my comment to suggest that a dog getting barked at was reason enough for the other dog to react in such a manner, however anyone who lives in the real world will see stupid owners of all sized dogs allow their uncontrolled dogs to act dominant or aggressively toward other dogs, the majority of those are little fluffy yap yaps. It doesn't take much for a large dog to rip a small dog apart!

BTW, I'm absolutely sick of stupid owners(mostly owning little fluffball yap yaps) who allow their dogs to charge and carry on toward my dog. It may well be the case that this little dog was completely innocent and the larger dog(well it's owner at least) was completely at fault but I'd like to know the full story, not just what we're told by the media!

there is nothing the small dog could have done that possibly could explain or justify the actions of the larger aggressive dog.

Only appropriate way of managing that aggressive dog is the green dream.

One dog walked away, the other was disembowelled-the one most at fault was the irresponsible owner who allowed his dog to do that without a word.

[mymatejack]

I have met plenty of small dogs that quite happily meet and greet my dog without issue. It's not simply a small dog thing, it's a lack of socialisation and training by owners who think their little fluffball can do no wrong and has the right to do whatever it pleases. Sounds to me like you're trying to justify your small dog acting aggressively toward other dogs?

Sounds to me like you think that a small dog barking is a provocation for another dog to attack it. That's so wrong. Dogs are allowed to bark, barking isn't harmful.

Sounds to me like you didn't understand what I said. Any dog barking from a distance is not provaction IMO. However any dog(of whatever size) charging up to another dog and carrying on in an aggressive manner IS provocation - and anyone who lives in the real world will see this regularly, and almost always from little yappers!

Do you believe that simply because a dog is small and "cute" that it can do what it likes? I thought we had laws that people were supposed to follow and when it comes to dog laws, surely members of this forum should be all about upholding those laws, not putting size restrictions on how they are applied.

btw, most of what i've said since my first or second post is not directed at the original story, just the posters who seem to think that aggressive little dogs should be given a free pass.

Edited February 28, 2013 by mymatejack