Are You Serious Jo Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 It looks like they are working from a list of factors that are correlated. There are a set of owner variables that are common across a lot of dog attacks, I know because I was part of a dog and cat management board funded project looking at just this. Dogs not being desexed are one of these, but I fear they are confusing correlation with causation. I can't comment too much because I was collecting the data, I'm just hoping that it is used effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Jut to avoid any confusion, when I said "working dogs" I did not necessarily mean any unreg dog on a station that might look like a Kelpie and herds sheep for a living, I meant working lines of pure bred, registered dogs, especially in breeds where there is a large divide between working lines and show/pet lines. As far as I am concerned mandatory de-sexing of most unpapered dogs in pet homes would probably be a good thing, since they have nothing to give to any breed (being unreg and unable to produce reg offspring) and a lot of people really do think their bitch should have at least one litter before spaying, their dog is so speshul and pretty/friendly/whatever it needs to have a bazillion offspring (which will then be FTGH on the local buy, swap and sell page about 6 months later) and so on. A good start would be for all councils to require dogs to be de-sexed before rehoming from the pound if the owner does not claim the animal as this would cut down on eggheads getting random mutts from the pound for their little back yard puppy mill programs :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Seriously - most councils have absolutely NO idea how many dogs are living in their areas. Case in point - the numbers of unchipped dogs that turn up in pounds. No chip, no record, no rego... and that's only a very small slice of the actual numbers "out there"... Until the powers that be can be arsed to get off their backsides and police the CURRENT laws and regs that are being ignored by certain members of the public, no amount of new laws or directives are going to work either. Stupid politicians need to be edumacated on the REALITY, rather than looking to "act" on something that could be thwarted right now without new laws... their only reasons are to be seen to be "doing something" that might just get them re-elected come polling time. My thoughts on the issue at hand - maybe it's the AR types and the stupid politicians that may need serious testing before being allowed to breed... *grin* T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Sigh. More nanny state bureaucracy. Probably because, according to the newspaper article, there was an incease in attacks in 2011, the D&C Board has not met one onf their Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) and risks losing funding or, shock horror, being abolished altogether by a government looking for savings - at the very least a black mark on the Chairman's Performance Review. So someone has found out about the Russian siberian fox experiments and wants to extrapolate them to dogs. I'm suprised the Board didn't recommend the uni project to produce genetic hybrids between dogs and sheep to produce a woosy dog-sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Ben shows dogs so I'm hoping he has just omitted registered breeders being exempt accidently. Ben should know better than to weigh into such a foul smelling pond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I'm suprised the Board didn't recommend the uni project to produce genetic hybrids between dogs and sheep to produce a woosy dog-sheep :laugh: I like it. They'd better be herbivores, too, can't have them eating other animals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Seriously - all they need to do is police current laws. Dogs shouldn't be able to attack anyone whether they are entire or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 ..soooo if fido passes a 'temperament test' fido can then go & make puppies whenever/wherever? That's how it reads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 ..soooo if fido passes a 'temperament test' fido can then go & make puppies whenever/wherever? That's how it reads Yep... that's how I read it too... T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leema Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 For those interested, in SA, some of us will be meeting in Victoria Square with our 'ENTIRELY FRIENDLY' dogs next weekend. Here are the details: http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/246353-my-dogs-are-entirely-friendly-protest-walk/ Or go straight to the Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/events/463260303720988/?fref=ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Seriously - all they need to do is police current laws. Dogs shouldn't be able to attack anyone whether they are entire or not. But it's so much easier passing new laws, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Passing new laws will need someone to police them too... T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Seriously - all they need to do is police current laws. Dogs shouldn't be able to attack anyone whether they are entire or not. But it's so much easier passing new laws, Steve. Yeah same old same old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Passing new laws will need someone to police them too... T. No, it won't. When the new laws fail because no one polices them then new new laws will be passed. Then when those fail, there'll be new new new laws. And so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Passing new laws will need someone to police them too... T. No, it won't. When the new laws fail because no one polices them then new new laws will be passed. Then when those fail, there'll be new new new laws. And so on. Yep 100% correct. Least it will give us something to talk about for many years to come - might be all we can do as we loose more rights and have more restrictions on where we can take our dogs and what we can and cant do with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Here we go... Nature verses Nurture. How inane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I think they should temperament test humans, to see if they are capable of raising a well trained & socialised dog. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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