WExtremeG Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Okay, this has been bothering me for quite a bit- when people say they have a APBT or a APBT x, how do they (or you) know that the dog is actually a APBT and not say a AST/SBT/BT or a cross from those or a mix of other breeds? If it looks like a 'pitbull' then it is one (for unpapered dogs) is that how people think? Also- how would one go about trying to find a purebred APBT? (I'm excluding APBT's that may have a written/official pedigree- if they exist here in Australia I have no idea?) amended, so as no confusion to terminology. Edited February 6, 2013 by WExtremeG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckandsteve Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Sorry accident post No idea how to pick out a pit bull Edited February 3, 2013 by chuckandsteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Sorry accident post No idea how to pick out a pit bull I have no idea either as they are? genetically the same as an American Staffordshire Terrier- I have always wondered how people "knew" that they had/have a Pitbull (or a cross) instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 A certain t ype of person loves to say he has a pitbull, whether it is or not!! A friend's late teenaged son swore his dog was a pitbull, although she was a staffy. And mostly you can't tell what it is. To get a purebred pitbull, you needed to buy from a breeder who registered their pups. There is a registry in USA which has been registering pitbulls since the late 1800s. Those breeders would be members of the APBT Club in Australia, and would have supplied full registration paper with the pup. As no one reputable is now breeding APBT, there is no chance of getting a papered = purebred one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I'm working with a large shelter in the US in a state that has repealed BSL. Every 2nd dog is a "Pit Bull x" and is really used here to describe a "type" rather than a breed. Like saying "terrier x" or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 A certain t ype of person loves to say he has a pitbull, whether it is or not!! A friend's late teenaged son swore his dog was a pitbull, although she was a staffy. And mostly you can't tell what it is. To get a purebred pitbull, you needed to buy from a breeder who registered their pups. There is a registry in USA which has been registering pitbulls since the late 1800s. Those breeders would be members of the APBT Club in Australia, and would have supplied full registration paper with the pup. As no one reputable is now breeding APBT, there is no chance of getting a papered = purebred one. aint' that the truth! thanks for the info :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodoggies2001 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Okay, this has been bothering me for quite a bit- when people say they have a Pitbull or a Pitbull cross, how do they (or you) know that the dog is actually a Pitbull and not say a Stafford/Amstaff or a cross from those or another breed? If it looks like a PB then it is one (if unpapered)? is that how everyone thinks? Also- how would one go about trying to find a purebred PB? (I'm excluding Pitbulls that may have a written pedigree- if they exist here in Australia I have no idea?) Just being ignorent here, but aren't Amstaff's really Pitbulls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Okay, this has been bothering me for quite a bit- when people say they have a Pitbull or a Pitbull cross, how do they (or you) know that the dog is actually a Pitbull and not say a Stafford/Amstaff or a cross from those or another breed? If it looks like a PB then it is one (if unpapered)? is that how everyone thinks? Also- how would one go about trying to find a purebred PB? (I'm excluding Pitbulls that may have a written pedigree- if they exist here in Australia I have no idea?) Just being ignorent here, but aren't Amstaff's really Pitbulls? Not quite..there was a breed divide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Just by the look of the dog, I can tell if a dog is a pit bull mix by the look of them, but then I love the breed. Obviously you can't get papered purebred ones but Amstaffs are pretty much the same dog anyway looks wise IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Just by the look of the dog, I can tell if a dog is a pit bull mix by the look of them, but then I love the breed. Obviously you can't get papered purebred ones but Amstaffs are pretty much the same dog anyway looks wise IMO curious, so what makes it a Pitty/mix as opposed to a Amstaff/mix? Edited February 3, 2013 by WExtremeG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I don't really see a difference. Although a lot of amstaffs these days are bulkier than an APBT would be normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inez Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Okay, this has been bothering me for quite a bit- when people say they have a Pitbull or a Pitbull cross, how do they (or you) know that the dog is actually a Pitbull and not say a Stafford/Amstaff or a cross from those or another breed? If it looks like a PB then it is one (if unpapered)? is that how everyone thinks? Also- how would one go about trying to find a purebred PB? (I'm excluding Pitbulls that may have a written pedigree- if they exist here in Australia I have no idea?) I have seen many links to kennels discussing this subject before but cant remember where they are now Essentially a pitbull and a Amstaff is the same as an Alsation is to a German Shepherd. Same body, different label depending on who wants which connontation. Edited February 3, 2013 by inez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inez Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Okay, this has been bothering me for quite a bit- when people say they have a Pitbull or a Pitbull cross, how do they (or you) know that the dog is actually a Pitbull and not say a Stafford/Amstaff or a cross from those or another breed? If it looks like a PB then it is one (if unpapered)? is that how everyone thinks? Also- how would one go about trying to find a purebred PB? (I'm excluding Pitbulls that may have a written pedigree- if they exist here in Australia I have no idea?) Just being ignorent here, but aren't Amstaff's really Pitbulls? Not quite..there was a breed divide. Yes, one is registered, the other isnt. Look up past and present of just about every registered breed to see how many changes the show ring does to the original in the pursuit of "maintaining the standard" somehow it always seems to end up more like "improving " it out of recognition. Edited February 3, 2013 by inez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodoggies2001 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Is it possible the name has been changed because of all the bad publicity Pit Bulls have been getting? Not being an expert of bull breeds, but to my eye they look the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Okay, this has been bothering me for quite a bit- when people say they have a Pitbull or a Pitbull cross, how do they (or you) know that the dog is actually a Pitbull and not say a Stafford/Amstaff or a cross from those or another breed? If it looks like a PB then it is one (if unpapered)? is that how everyone thinks? Also- how would one go about trying to find a purebred PB? (I'm excluding Pitbulls that may have a written pedigree- if they exist here in Australia I have no idea?) I have seen many links to kennels discussing this subject before but cant remember where they are now Essentially a pitbull and a Amstaff is the same as an Alsation is to a German Shepherd. Same body, different label depending on who wants which connontation. "Alsation" was the name given for GSD's during/after world war 2 --they eventually changed the name back, but for some the name stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Okay, this has been bothering me for quite a bit- when people say they have a Pitbull or a Pitbull cross, how do they (or you) know that the dog is actually a Pitbull and not say a Stafford/Amstaff or a cross from those or another breed? If it looks like a PB then it is one (if unpapered)? is that how everyone thinks? Also- how would one go about trying to find a purebred PB? (I'm excluding Pitbulls that may have a written pedigree- if they exist here in Australia I have no idea?) Just being ignorent here, but aren't Amstaff's really Pitbulls? Not quite..there was a breed divide. Yes, one is registered, the other isnt. Look up past and present of just about every registered breed to see how many changes the show ring does to the original in the pursuit of "maintaining the standard" somehow it always seems to end up more like "improving " it out of recognition. I don't agree- if that were the case, then every unpapered American Staffordshire Terrier would be considered a banned/restricted/illegal/legal breed (depending on which state you're in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Is it possible the name has been changed because of all the bad publicity Pit Bulls have been getting? Not being an expert of bull breeds, but to my eye they look the same. I believe that is how the breed started to divide... There are registered APBT (whether reputable or not) ANKC is not the only registry for dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Is it possible the name has been changed because of all the bad publicity Pit Bulls have been getting? Not being an expert of bull breeds, but to my eye they look the same. I believe that is how the breed started to divide... There are registered APBT (whether reputable or not) ANKC is not the only registry for dogs. The breeds divided in 1935 - when the APBT was an American icon & much beloved family breed.. so long long before modern media created the hype & misconceptions. There is really no way to tell what any cross bred dog is, so why would a "pit bull" cross be any different? Any 'unpaper' Amstaff is seriously in danger of being classified as restricted or prohibited - which is why anyone who breeds unregistered bull breed pups needs their head read. Edited February 3, 2013 by Sandra777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 No - the Amstaff breeders went one way, and the APBT breeders went another way. I think when pit fighting was outlawed, some breeders wanted to develop and promote the dog away from the pits. They were named Staffordshire Terriers in the 30s and that was amended to American Staffordshire Terrier in the 60s or 70s. Different people involved with either/both breeds seem to have differing opinions on whether they are the same or different dogs. I feel that because of the length of time since the original split, they are different dogs. During a court case in Q not too long ago, the judge also ruled that APBT and Amstaffs were different breeds. (Not that that means much except legally!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I think it is impossible to identify them unless they come with pedigree paperwork, which is why BSL is simply impossible to enforce unless you eradicate any bull breed type dog under say 40 kg. If there were a way, trust me, councils that are rabid with BSL would be all over it, not getting shat all over in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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