noisymina Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 The vet I spoke to prefers not to de-sex during season. Mine was just starting - the day after I booked her in, actually! :laugh: I think she understood the phone call! In fact, he said if she went fully into season, he would want us to wait another THREE MONTHS after it finished before de-sexing. As it was, it was very early and minimal added risk. They will if they HAVE to, but it is a considerably greater risk, a more difficult operation and they, naturally, charge more in those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 You might find it cheaper to miss out on the second GA even with the specialist rates. I had a bitch desexed in a specialist centre by a soft tissue surgeon (as she carries Haeomophilia so no one else wanted to touch her) and I think it was about $400 and took 10 minutes from the time she was knocked out to the time she was back in my arms for recovery and had the neatest suture line ever! So not only are you eliminating a GA by going to the specialist but you might also be reducing the time she is under by getting it done there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andisa Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Also, how old is she? With her history of broken bones it might be worth waiting to desex because hormones are very important for growth. yes... there's bone healing/growth to consider.... I'd be hesitant to desex this dog until she was fully grown and fully healed. Agree. I would be waiting. This is the best advice here - let her heal first. There is no way I would be desexing a pup who has been through so much so young. I would strongly advise let her mature before desexing but seems you have decided to get her done asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 The vet I spoke to prefers not to de-sex during season. Mine was just starting - the day after I booked her in, actually! :laugh: I think she understood the phone call! In fact, he said if she went fully into season, he would want us to wait another THREE MONTHS after it finished before de-sexing. As it was, it was very early and minimal added risk. They will if they HAVE to, but it is a considerably greater risk, a more difficult operation and they, naturally, charge more in those circumstances. I think the difference here is you're talking vet I'm talking Specialist small animal surgeon. I was worried about the situation and he was very nonchalantly telling me that he could do it not a problem and not to worry if she comes into season they will do it then as well. These guys are used to small intricate procedures. I don't think we can lump all vets with the same policies and rules in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 You might find it cheaper to miss out on the second GA even with the specialist rates. I had a bitch desexed in a specialist centre by a soft tissue surgeon (as she carries Haeomophilia so no one else wanted to touch her) and I think it was about $400 and took 10 minutes from the time she was knocked out to the time she was back in my arms for recovery and had the neatest suture line ever! So not only are you eliminating a GA by going to the specialist but you might also be reducing the time she is under by getting it done there. Yes, I am sure desexing by a Specialist has its merits, I would have never even thought to ask if he didn't offer, I would have thought it 'below' them :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noisymina Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) The vet I spoke to prefers not to de-sex during season. Mine was just starting - the day after I booked her in, actually! :laugh: I think she understood the phone call! In fact, he said if she went fully into season, he would want us to wait another THREE MONTHS after it finished before de-sexing. As it was, it was very early and minimal added risk. They will if they HAVE to, but it is a considerably greater risk, a more difficult operation and they, naturally, charge more in those circumstances. I think the difference here is you're talking vet I'm talking Specialist small animal surgeon. I was worried about the situation and he was very nonchalantly telling me that he could do it not a problem and not to worry if she comes into season they will do it then as well. These guys are used to small intricate procedures. I don't think we can lump all vets with the same policies and rules in this instance. Just relating what I recently found on the subject, since it is being discussed.. Not trying to lump anything into anything. Nor was it a policy or a rule. If the customer insisted, they would still do t and charge accordingly. I would not go against my vet's advice, even tho he seemed to be erring on the conservative side. I would be happy to err on the side of safety for my pet as well. Seems not all pet owners see it that way. The risk is still there IF they happen to be in season, regardless of how special your specialist is. I don't think you mentioned the possibility your dog WOULD actually be in season when she went to the specialist for X-rays. Or did you? Edited February 1, 2013 by noisymina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 The vet I spoke to prefers not to de-sex during season. Mine was just starting - the day after I booked her in, actually! :laugh: I think she understood the phone call! In fact, he said if she went fully into season, he would want us to wait another THREE MONTHS after it finished before de-sexing. As it was, it was very early and minimal added risk. They will if they HAVE to, but it is a considerably greater risk, a more difficult operation and they, naturally, charge more in those circumstances. I think the difference here is you're talking vet I'm talking Specialist small animal surgeon. I was worried about the situation and he was very nonchalantly telling me that he could do it not a problem and not to worry if she comes into season they will do it then as well. These guys are used to small intricate procedures. I don't think we can lump all vets with the same policies and rules in this instance. Just relating what I recently found on the subject, since it is being discussed.. Not trying to lump anything into anything. Nor was it a policy or a rule. If the customer insisted, they would still do t and charge accordingly. I would not go against my vet's advice, even tho he seemed to be erring on the conservative side. I would be happy to err on the side of safety for my pet as well. Seems not all pet owners see it that way. The risk is still there IF they happen to be in season, regardless of how special your specialist m I don't think you mentioned the possibility your dog WOULD actually be in season when she went to the specialist for X-rays. Or did you? I think there is a lot of wrong advice/information thrown around on DOL sometimes (ie above you said they won't desex when in season when this is actually incorrect). Mentioned the possibility to who? If you mean to the Specialist I think I have stated in here quite a few times that I was worried about her coming into season and desexing/going under GA so many times in 1 year and the Specialist said not to worry, they would desex IF and WHEN she was in season, even if that was when she had xrays. That is how I know they desex when in season, because he told me not to stress about it and that even if she does come into season they can still desex/xray. Personal opinions aside, there are going to be people who disagree with desexing whilst healing/in season etc, that isn't the point of this thread. If I wanted specialist medical advice re my pet I would (and do) get it from the man who has spent many years at university and subsequent years doing specialist surgical training to gain his Associate Professor status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If you want your dog desexed asap, & if there is any chance of the boys getting to her by accident I can see why, it is a very quick operation which requires them to be knocked out for a short period of time. If she has been fine so far with anaesthetic I can't see why there would be any problems now. I can't see that this will make any difference to her legs healing if she is pretty much mended now anyway. Its a simple, routine operation these days however even if they will do her in season I really would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 having seen how internal organs/tissues of bitches in season change , I can understand why it is preferable to not go in & start cutting .... yes, for sure it CAN be done, and done perfectly , I've seen it done - however it does seem more of a trauma to the body than normally , because of blood flow ..and the sudden change in hormonal levels .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I definitely wont be going in as a priority when she's in season. Fingers crossed it holds off for another 4 weeks and I don't even have to worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 yes- hopefully it all falls into place , and she can be done with surgeries for a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Goodness that is my one wish if any this year! Poor darling does not need anymore crap dealt on her little life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 There isnot only the added risk whilst desexing when they are in season but the added turmoil it throws their hormones into. It is much better for the dog all round to wait till they are well out, then desex them. Add this to the trauma this small dog has already been through and I would wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 When our Dyzney was still recovering from IMT and I was forced into making a decision to desex or not (as she was due in season and the hormones may have brought the IMT on again) we had a specialist desex her, Pete Laverty. She had x rays done also as there was other issues we were investigating. This was 4 years ago and it cost us $2000. We were very happy with the job. That said, can your local vet do the xrays that the specialist wants? Are the xrays really that important... as in what will you if the results are ? or ? I would sit on doing them for a while I think. Personally I always run a mixture of entire and desexed dogs together and have no issues when bitches are in season. I never separate (unless I currently have an entire of each sex at the time). In my experience the smooth success of this is more about existing dynamics involving the owner as well as the dogs and also the amount of management the owner will and can instil, than about the dogs themselves. So in saying that if you think you can plan to set yourself and the dogs up for a win, I would hold off desexing and xrays for a while. I think you would be surprised at how little attention your boys pays towards your bitch and even if he does it will not be in the same strength as if he was entire, more of an annoying play type situation and may only last for a day or so. Personally I would not use drugs for this scenario. What's to say these drugs are any less destructive to her body than the GA? I hope you decide on an answer that you can feel comfortable with and good luck with it all. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Thanks Dyzney thats very helpful and informative I really appreciatiate it. I guess at season is fear of the unknown. I can keep the boys separated and put bitch pants on her at night on my bed to sleep. I've decided to get the desexing done at the same time as the xrays, whenever that may be. She is mobilising like normal so the xrays can probably be pushed back if she does come into season in the next month. I will ask about getting it all done at my vet, I just feel like I owe it to my Specialist to give them the business of the xrays. That probably sounds silly! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 The vet I spoke to prefers not to de-sex during season. Mine was just starting - the day after I booked her in, actually! :laugh: I think she understood the phone call! In fact, he said if she went fully into season, he would want us to wait another THREE MONTHS after it finished before de-sexing. As it was, it was very early and minimal added risk. They will if they HAVE to, but it is a considerably greater risk, a more difficult operation and they, naturally, charge more in those circumstances. I think the difference here is you're talking vet I'm talking Specialist small animal surgeon. I was worried about the situation and he was very nonchalantly telling me that he could do it not a problem and not to worry if she comes into season they will do it then as well. These guys are used to small intricate procedures. I don't think we can lump all vets with the same policies and rules in this instance. whoever does the surgery there is an increased risk to the dog being desexed whilst in season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 The vet I spoke to prefers not to de-sex during season. Mine was just starting - the day after I booked her in, actually! :laugh: I think she understood the phone call! In fact, he said if she went fully into season, he would want us to wait another THREE MONTHS after it finished before de-sexing. As it was, it was very early and minimal added risk. They will if they HAVE to, but it is a considerably greater risk, a more difficult operation and they, naturally, charge more in those circumstances. I think the difference here is you're talking vet I'm talking Specialist small animal surgeon. I was worried about the situation and he was very nonchalantly telling me that he could do it not a problem and not to worry if she comes into season they will do it then as well. These guys are used to small intricate procedures. I don't think we can lump all vets with the same policies and rules in this instance. whoever does the surgery there is an increased risk to the dog being desexed whilst in season. Yes I understand that. My point was a regular vet may be more hesitant to do such a surgery because they don't do fiddly micro surgery everyday. This Specialist is a small animal surgeon who spends every day doing micro surgery and intricate things hence he was blase about it and didn't seem concerned. I have decided I will NOT be desexing whilst in season if she comes in the next month, I will put it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everythings Shiny Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Donatella - see what the specialist says, I'd consider waiting, but they are the ones dealing with her specific case, so they'd have a fairly good idea of whats happening and what would be suitable in your case. I'd be looking at either doing it whilst she's already under if the specialist is thinking it causes no healing risks. If healing was a factor the vet was worried about, I'd then wait until she was all recovered then go for it :) ETA - Our clinic (and every clinic I've worked for so far) has refused to do dogs obviously in season, if they've just come on, and we don't know until we get in there, then we do it. We recommend generally to wait a month to six weeks after a season to desex. Edited February 2, 2013 by Everythings Shiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Desexing a small dog is 'micro surgery' ?? Not really :) I'm sure peoples' chi's/poms/ maltese/yorkies get speyed/castrated at regular vets ..... as do early desexings, when puppies are 6-8 weeks old :) We used to have all sized dogs/cats/rabbits in for desexing ..and used to remove tumours from mice etc as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Specialist Small Animal Surgeon = Micro Surgery everyday so desexing in season with the extra risks would be easier for them. Edited February 2, 2013 by donatella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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