LisaCC Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 So sorry for your loss Cazstaff, I wish you the best at this time and I hope you can get some kind of closure from this. He seems like a wonderful old boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 those photos are gorgeous and heartwrenching. Sending you strength for what you have gone through and on what you are about to embark on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelodysMum Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Whatever happens I would not get a settlement with a non disclosure. If if compensation is not what you are after (you cannot get your precious boy back) The least they can do is cover your loss/costs. In memory of Buddy I would insist on publicly telling his story so the legacy of this awful situation is that other dogs may not suffer the same fate. If there is a gag on settlement it will never come out through media source like television and papers and so no-one will hear the important message that needs to be heard. Surely somebody can represent you in this situation should you not be able to deal with it personally. Perhaps a campaign would awaken owners & groomers to seeking regulated businesses...if there is a body of groomer quality assurance.( sorry I have never used a commercial groomer) Is there a legal trained DOL member here with some idea with the laws that apply in this instance? My silence is definitely not for sale redangel, not at any price. They won't gag me! Something good has to come from the huge price my beautiful boy paid.I just have to make sure I do it the right way so it counts. His mates are missing him too My heart is still breaking for you Caz. I have been thinking about poor Buddy constantly since it happened. This is such a beautiful photo of him. He was adorable. What a gorgeous, happy boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tara and Sam Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Some thing has been bothering me after reading this thread and such a tragedy , that I cant understand I do not wish to upset the OP at all ( maybe the answer may also help with any further investigations on this ) how far of the ground / how tall are the grooming tables for Buddy to be found as he was my mobile dogs grooming table would have caused harm to my smaller dog , but not my bigger dog as that table was about her waist height I truly do not wish to upset OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxiewolf Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Some thing has been bothering me after reading this thread and such a tragedy , that I cant understand I do not wish to upset the OP at all ( maybe the answer may also help with any further investigations on this ) how far of the ground / how tall are the grooming tables for Buddy to be found as he was my mobile dogs grooming table would have caused harm to my smaller dog , but not my bigger dog as that table was about her waist height I truly do not wish to upset OP From what I read, I understand it was the fact poor Buddy was tethered with a choker chain, depending on the way he came to be off the table and that he couldn't support himself and was not checked on for so long, the height of the table wouldnt have mattered a great deal, when you take into account how high the grooming arm would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tara and Sam Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Some thing has been bothering me after reading this thread and such a tragedy , that I cant understand I do not wish to upset the OP at all ( maybe the answer may also help with any further investigations on this ) how far of the ground / how tall are the grooming tables for Buddy to be found as he was my mobile dogs grooming table would have caused harm to my smaller dog , but not my bigger dog as that table was about her waist height I truly do not wish to upset OP From what I read, I understand it was the fact poor Buddy was tethered with a choker chain, depending on the way he came to be off the table and that he couldn't support himself and was not checked on for so long, the height of the table wouldnt have mattered a great deal, when you take into account how high the grooming arm would have been. Thank you for explaining , I didnt take the grooming arm into the situation just so hard to comprehend this happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogwatch Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Poor Buddy, this truly breaks my heart, a lost innocent, cause of human error and greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I have been wondering why the RSPCA won't do anything other than call them. To me it's clearly neglect but aside from being horrified, they won't do anything other than call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I thought the RSPCA said they would send someone out? I was hoping that they would levy some criminal charge against them - surely this is neglect? It certainly could not be classed as an accident. Caz I hope you are coping OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthjones Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I am so incredibly sorry for your loss, if there is ever anything I can do to help you out, just say the word. Re: legal options, I'm not legally trained, but I am financially trained, it was always pushed never to offer advice as you are then responsible for that advice, I'm sure the legal profession is similar in that regard, so all I suggest is, consult with a lawyer, a specialist in the area if you can find one (not sure they exist to be honest, but they might do) Run free beautiful Buddy! Ruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) It would be classed as cruelty, not neglect: PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS ACT 1979 Definintions: (2) For the purposes of this Act, a reference to an act of cruelty committed upon an animal includes a reference to any act or omission as a consequence of which the animal is unreasonably, unnecessarily or unjustifiably: ... (d) inflicted with pain. "pain" includes suffering and distress (3) For the purposes of this Act, a person commits an act of aggravated cruelty upon an animal if the person commits an act of cruelty upon the animal or (being the person in charge of the animal) contravenes section 5 (3) in a way which results in: (a) the death, deformity or serious disablement of the animal, Offences: 5 Cruelty to animals (1) A person shall not commit an act of cruelty upon an animal. (2) A person in charge of an animal shall not authorise the commission of an act of cruelty upon the animal. (3) A person in charge of an animal shall not fail at any time: (a) to exercise reasonable care, control or supervision of an animal to prevent the commission of an act of cruelty upon the animal, ... Maximum penalty: 250 penalty units in the case of a corporation and 50 penalty units or imprisonment for 6 months, or both, in the case of an individual. 6 Aggravated cruelty to animals (1) A person shall not commit an act of aggravated cruelty upon an animal. Maximum penalty: 1,000 penalty units in the case of a corporation and 200 penalty units or imprisonment for 2 years, or both, in the case of an individual. Edited January 9, 2013 by Alyosha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Good work, Alyosha! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Aggravated cruelty based on negligent acts or ommissions has been successfully prosecuted in the past. Big hugs Caz - and thankyou for sharing your beautiful photos. Just heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazstaff Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 It would be classed as cruelty, not neglect: PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS ACT 1979 Definintions: (2) For the purposes of this Act, a reference to an act of cruelty committed upon an animal includes a reference to any act or omission as a consequence of which the animal is unreasonably, unnecessarily or unjustifiably: ... (d) inflicted with pain. "pain" includes suffering and distress (3) For the purposes of this Act, a person commits an act of aggravated cruelty upon an animal if the person commits an act of cruelty upon the animal or (being the person in charge of the animal) contravenes section 5 (3) in a way which results in: (a) the death, deformity or serious disablement of the animal, Offences: 5 Cruelty to animals (1) A person shall not commit an act of cruelty upon an animal. (2) A person in charge of an animal shall not authorise the commission of an act of cruelty upon the animal. (3) A person in charge of an animal shall not fail at any time: (a) to exercise reasonable care, control or supervision of an animal to prevent the commission of an act of cruelty upon the animal, ... Maximum penalty: 250 penalty units in the case of a corporation and 50 penalty units or imprisonment for 6 months, or both, in the case of an individual. 6 Aggravated cruelty to animals (1) A person shall not commit an act of aggravated cruelty upon an animal. Maximum penalty: 1,000 penalty units in the case of a corporation and 200 penalty units or imprisonment for 2 years, or both, in the case of an individual. Thankyou Aloysha, thats very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazstaff Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 Some thing has been bothering me after reading this thread and such a tragedy , that I cant understand I do not wish to upset the OP at all ( maybe the answer may also help with any further investigations on this ) how far of the ground / how tall are the grooming tables for Buddy to be found as he was my mobile dogs grooming table would have caused harm to my smaller dog , but not my bigger dog as that table was about her waist height I truly do not wish to upset OP Buddy was up on a bench attached to the wall, like a shelf. He was attached by a short choker chain. Im not sure of the exact height of the bench. I want to go and see one day but not yet. What sort of person wouldn't see the very obvious danger in leaving him there alone while they went outside for lunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 It is very hard to understand, Caz. Your head and heart must be in turmoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Buddy was up on a bench attached to the wall, like a shelf. He was attached by a short choker chain. Im not sure of the exact height of the bench. I want to go and see one day but not yet. What sort of person wouldn't see the very obvious danger in leaving him there alone while they went outside for lunch Yes it is pretty well unbelievable to me that anyone who works with dogs would not see how risky that is. Even if it wasn't so blindingly risky, to leave a dog in a position like that while they went off and had lunch is unacceptable, put the dogs in a safe pen or crate where they can move a bit for God sake. Selfish, irresponsible, negligent and cruel. If the RSPCA won't prosecute I hope you can find other avenues to bring them to account. Everyone who cares for their dogs would understand and share your pain and shock. Edited January 10, 2013 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Great Work , Alyosha 'tis there in print for all to see . thinking of you Caz ((( hugzz))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tara and Sam Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Buddy was up on a bench attached to the wall, like a shelf. He was attached by a short choker chain. Im not sure of the exact height of the bench. I want to go and see one day but not yet. What sort of person wouldn't see the very obvious danger in leaving him there alone while they went outside for lunch I do hope I didnt bring you more turmoil with my question as it was not intended totally baffled by how anyone could leave a dog in that circumstance and not make sure they are safe As others on here , horrifed and share your pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDJ Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Not defending - not excusing - totally indefensible - Not defending - not excusing - totally indefensible - Not defending - not excusing - totally indefensible BUT ...... Buddy was up on a bench attached to the wall, like a shelf. He was attached by a short choker chain. Im not sure of the exact height of the bench. I want to go and see one day but not yet. What sort of person wouldn't see the very obvious danger in leaving him there alone while they went outside for lunch (quote) It is possible it was bad work practice/inattention, rather than not seeing the danger. I have no idea of the set up, but it is possible that two poeple are in the room, one working on dog steps out believing the other would keep an eye out, second person does not see the dog/realise the responsibility had been left to them and leaves the room as well. It has happened with children (mum thinks dad is looking after the child, dad thinks mum is) It does not make anyone feel better. The only reason I have written this is that if someone works in or knows a grooming salon it may be a reminder that tragic things can happen due to bad communication and non attention to best practice, as well as through not realising/acting on dangers. Again - Not defending - not excusing - totally indefensible - Not defending - not excusing - totally indefensible - Not defending - not excusing - totally indefensible. Please don't think I am in anyway reducing any responsibility or horror at what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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