Pound Rounds

[HazyWal]

I don't actually know MN - so do you think she has got herself in this bother because she tried to go to far to quickly? Or was it this way from the start?

MN believes she is the answer to no kill in Aust. Getting every single dog out of just two kill pounds in NSW is not the answer.

Not only has she gone in with absolutely NO idea and NO experience, it is her way or the highway.

Reducing euth rates needs a multi pronged approach, there are so many elements and dynamics in play.

She crucifies anyone and everyone in her path, so has no hope in working on a 'proactive' level on the bigger issues or on the "flow" of dogs living in shelters.

It has been this way from the start.

She reminds me of PETA and Indrid N which is a really worry in this country though also a huge concern OS.

She basically moves them from one pound to a PR "pound' (mass kennels), and calls it success. I fail to see how that is success, especially considering blacktown is now apparently a no kill shelter.

When did BP become a NO KILL shelter? Didn't know one existed let alone one as big as Blacktown.

They are not. MN has laid claim to that though.

The thing is, what PR's are doing (poor practice etc) is dangerous for rescue in NSW and as a whole. It is not maintainable long term. More than that, dogs are at serious risk. They do not address the issue of impounded companion animals. If you are serious in efforts to assist impounded companion animals long term you would work very differently and make SURE you knew what the hell you are doing.

Ahhh gotcha sorry.

[Sparassidae]

Blacktown can't be a no kill shelter.

There is a very human aggressive dog there now. Unsure if it is still there, back block. I'm not a beginner in dog behaviour - this dog was one of the few "red zone" aggressive dogs I have seen. If my finger went through the mesh, I'd have lost it.

No idea how it passed the behavioural assessment - but it was up for EOI.

[Sheridan]

Do they do behavioural assessments at Blacktown?

[Her Majesty Dogmad]

Blacktown can't be a no kill shelter.

There is a very human aggressive dog there now. Unsure if it is still there, back block. I'm not a beginner in dog behaviour - this dog was one of the few "red zone" aggressive dogs I have seen. If my finger went through the mesh, I'd have lost it.

No idea how it passed the behavioural assessment - but it was up for EOI.

And the trouble is, this is just the type of dog that PR loves to take and advertise as "gorgeous family friendly dog, blah blah". Blacktown SHOULD NOT release these dogs to anyone.

[megan_]

Did you tell the staff at blacktown midol?

[Sparassidae]

Sheridan, a few other runs had "EOI pending behavioural assessment" on them, so I assume so? Unless they only do it for dogs they think need it.

megan_, I mentioned he didn't seem like the friendliest dog in the world - but it's not my place to. You only had to walk past his run to elicit this response. I shouldn't need to inform them.

[Sheridan]

Well, if stories from DOLers are any indication then PR is taking DA dogs that Blacktown have deemed suitable for rehoming. Who's fault is that then? Blacktown's, I think.

[Katdogs]

Just wondering. If a dog (e.g. PCC33) at Hawkesbury isn't on Hawkesbury's dogs available site, and isn't listed on DOL as 'at risk', why would PR be saying 'only young and on a kill list, please share her to save her, she only has until tomorrow to find a home'? Why distract from those who really are at risk?

(She's a lovely looking 9mo BC x Kelpie by the way, if anyone's looking!)

[Are You Serious Jo]

Desperate emotional pleas raise more money.

[Katdogs]

Desperate emotional pleas raise more money.

Yeah, I know. I guess I was just asking the rhetorical/venting type question.

IMO it looks dishonest... but there are probably worse.

[tdierikx]

PCC33's due date was 18/1/2013... he can be on the euth list if they run out of room. Is listed as Male by the way... *grin*

I am on the HP mailing list - PC33 does not appear to have had any interest by rescue or the public as yet.

T.

[Katdogs]

PCC33's due date was 18/1/2013... he can be on the euth list if they run out of room. Is listed as Male by the way... *grin*

I am on the HP mailing list - PC33 does not appear to have had any interest by rescue or the public as yet.

T.

Well he/she won't, if the dog isn't listed on the Hawkesbury Pound 'dogs available' list, or the Friends of HP FB site which is what the DOL HP Urgent thread links to!

She's on PR FB as 'PCC33 "SKY" KELPIE X BORDER COLLIE FEMALE 9 MONTHS... What a pretty girl she is'.

Nice looking pup.

[Nic.B]

I think some people do not really understand dogs very well. They believe that every dog, no matter its behaviour, can be placed in a home. They believe that dangerous dog behaviours can be modified and managed if people are prepared to put the effort and love in. This view puts the safety of pets and people in the community at risk. Community standards are that pet dogs should not be dangerous to others. That's why the failure to screen out aggressive dogs (best practice) is unethical.

Then there is the issue of long-term kennelling, where you could compare the effects of long term kennelling on dogs with the institutionalisation of people. Unless there is a proper enrichment program going on (fun and games and learning, not shock collars), then the long term kennelling can be very mentally damaging.

To be fair, a lot of dogs can be rehabilitated as seen by the work done by Best Friends in Utah.

That said, Best Friends is a unique set up, with highly experience trainers and behaviouralists specialising in canine behaviour. They have successfully rehabilitated traumatised fighting dogs belonging to Michael Vick, for instance.

However, I have seen a number of episodes where they say that because of a dog's issues, it cannot go to a home and will spend the rest of its life at Best Friends. This isn't kennelling, however, as the centre does provide a stimulating pack environment.

I think much can be learned by the Best Friends set-up but only by the logical, the clear-headed, and the rational. Anyone else need not apply.

Agree (re Best Friends in the UK) though if we decide to take these dogs on a huge amount of pro support, training, exercise, stimulation and enrichment needs to be a priority.

Matching the dog incredibly well with a potential new home is also critical along with all support needed.

[Nic.B]

Sheridan, a few other runs had "EOI pending behavioural assessment" on them, so I assume so? Unless they only do it for dogs they think need it.

megan_, I mentioned he didn't seem like the friendliest dog in the world - but it's not my place to. You only had to walk past his run to elicit this response. I shouldn't need to inform them.

I am not familiar with behavioural assesments at BCC though under the circumstances you have mentioned above BCC have a duty of care and responsibility to ensure this dog is pro assesed PRIOR to release.

If BCC are unable to assess they may release this dog RTRO. They need to then ensure the rescue group will meet all set criteria in assesment. The group will be forced to report back to council on the otcome of the dog.

If councils work with reputable groups they everything is adheard to. If they work with unreputable groups, the group will not get back to them.

It should be followed up upon, though often it is not.

[Steve]

Sheridan, a few other runs had "EOI pending behavioural assessment" on them, so I assume so? Unless they only do it for dogs they think need it.

megan_, I mentioned he didn't seem like the friendliest dog in the world - but it's not my place to. You only had to walk past his run to elicit this response. I shouldn't need to inform them.

I am not familiar with behavioural assesments at BCC though under the circumstances you have mentioned above BCC have a duty of care and responsibility to ensure this dog is pro assesed PRIOR to release.

If BCC are unable to assess they may release this dog RTRO. They need to then ensure the rescue group will meet all set criteria in assesment. The group will be forced to report back to council on the otcome of the dog.

If councils work with reputable groups they everything is adheard to. If they work with unreputable groups, the group will not get back to them.

It should be followed up upon, though often it is not.

Is this just wishful thinking or is it legislation?

[Nic.B]

Well, if stories from DOLers are any indication then PR is taking DA dogs that Blacktown have deemed suitable for rehoming. Who's fault is that then? Blacktown's, I think.

IMO BCC. If they are not able to BA the dog they had better make sure the dog goes to a reputable rescue who has the finances, ability and commitment to work through assesments and rehabilitation.

Both BCC and HP have enough info and experience to know that PR's will not meet any of the essential requirements.

[Steve]

So tell me this - If we all go mad and start to push for laws to be introduced to prevent DA and HA dogs to be able to be released from pounds unless it is to a rescue group wouldn't that still mean PR could do exactly as they are doing now? It would seem to me any law changes have to in the main put really strict laws and restrictions on small private rescue.

[Nic.B]

Sheridan, a few other runs had "EOI pending behavioural assessment" on them, so I assume so? Unless they only do it for dogs they think need it.

megan_, I mentioned he didn't seem like the friendliest dog in the world - but it's not my place to. You only had to walk past his run to elicit this response. I shouldn't need to inform them.

I am not familiar with behavioural assesments at BCC though under the circumstances you have mentioned above BCC have a duty of care and responsibility to ensure this dog is pro assesed PRIOR to release.

If BCC are unable to assess they may release this dog RTRO. They need to then ensure the rescue group will meet all set criteria in assesment. The group will be forced to report back to council on the otcome of the dog.

If councils work with reputable groups they everything is adheard to. If they work with unreputable groups, the group will not get back to them.

It should be followed up upon, though often it is not.

Is this just wishful thinking or is it legislation?

Councils have a DOC. RTRO dogs have set conditions and rescue groups must adhere to them. All of the conditions are in writing. Rescue must agree and follow those conditions if they would like to take on these dogs.

I may need to speak with you Julie as I am not able to go into the whole lot online.

[Sheridan]

Well, if stories from DOLers are any indication then PR is taking DA dogs that Blacktown have deemed suitable for rehoming. Who's fault is that then? Blacktown's, I think.

IMO BCC. If they are not able to BA the dog they had better make sure the dog goes to a reputable rescue who has the finances, ability and commitment to work through assesments and rehabilitation.

Both BCC and HP have enough info and experience to know that PR's will not meet any of the essential requirements.

Then that is down to the pounds.

PR is simply taking advantage of them not doing their jobs properly.

So, my question is, why aren't the pounds being smacked around for allowing DA dogs to be released?

[Steve]

Sheridan, a few other runs had "EOI pending behavioural assessment" on them, so I assume so? Unless they only do it for dogs they think need it.

megan_, I mentioned he didn't seem like the friendliest dog in the world - but it's not my place to. You only had to walk past his run to elicit this response. I shouldn't need to inform them.

I am not familiar with behavioural assesments at BCC though under the circumstances you have mentioned above BCC have a duty of care and responsibility to ensure this dog is pro assesed PRIOR to release.

If BCC are unable to assess they may release this dog RTRO. They need to then ensure the rescue group will meet all set criteria in assesment. The group will be forced to report back to council on the otcome of the dog.

If councils work with reputable groups they everything is adheard to. If they work with unreputable groups, the group will not get back to them.

It should be followed up upon, though often it is not.

Is this just wishful thinking or is it legislation?

Councils have a DOC. RTRO dogs have set conditions and rescue groups must adhere to them. All of the conditions are in writing. Rescue must agree and follow those conditions if they would like to take on these dogs.

I may need to speak with you Julie as I am not able to go into the whole lot online.

0269276707 when ever you're ready.