Ellis Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I will be having a pup flown to me next month (not AmStaff). Virgin does not fly animals from the airport he will be departing from. That leaves QANTAS. What airport is that? I thought Virgin flew from all Aussie airports. Albury. Virgin flys from there but only people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) I think the astonishing thing there is that Albury has an airport. I would be very surprised if Qantas flew animals from a small regional airport. I don't think they have much more than Dash 8s fly out of them and they don't take animals. Are you sure you are able to fly your puppy out of Albury? Edited December 30, 2012 by Sheridan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) You can fly animals out of our airport, I am sure Albury would be bigger than our town. Because the planes are smaller you can have difficulties flying really big crates. We flew a sea lion to AQWA in Perth no worries and have flown possums to the zoo in Perth. ETA we only have one company that comes down here - Skywest and since every time they try to introduce some competition and Skywest has a tantrum it will remain that way for some time to come! Edited December 30, 2012 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 The breeder uses Albury airport all the time. I am going through a company that organises crate & bookings. They have given me the info about Virgin & QANTAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerzeit Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Albury Airport is almost larger than Hobart "International" Airport :laugh: We never flew any dogs out of Albury, but we did have one fly into Albury a few years ago :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Qantas just flew my dog to Port Hedland from the NT... Australian Air freight had a poster pulled off the internet with all the usual banned breeds and to be honest they wouldn't know a restricted breed if they were walking one on a lead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Yes, I would like to know how they will tell if it is of breed X when they load it? Surely they wouldn't have a clue and even the experts are having issues positively identifying breeds if the dog does not come with paperwork! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) Someone should send this to QANTAS. Remember the pit bull type dogs (used for fighting) that were rescued from Michael Vicks' in the US? Few years on, the dogs were reunited... accompanied by the people who'd adopted them. All great pets now. 7 have won Canine Good Citizen Certificates. 3 work as therapy dogs in hospitals & children's therapy programs. 1 has won a Top Dog Contest. Yet QANTAS wouldn't fly them based on their breed label, 'pit bull type'. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/five-years-rescued-vick-dogs-reunite/ Edited January 1, 2013 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggie Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Yes, Albury has an airport, but Wodonga has to share it. Virgin cut back from small jets (Embraers?) to smaller still turbo prop planes again last year, so that may be why they don't handle animals -if they ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santo66 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Dogs currently banned on Qantas flights include American Staffordshire Terriers, Brazilian Fila, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino, American Pit Bull and Pit Bull Terriers Someone needs to point out to Qantas that the Amstaff has been incorrectly included with the breeds banned under the customs act preferably addressed by a solicitor with request for the breed restriction to be removed. Breed banning can only be effected in Australia on an official basis which also applies to councils when the breed is rectricted by the customs act......it's the very reason that the Amstaff is specifically excluded from BSL criteria and Qantas could suffer some financial consequences with a dog left on the runway so to speak because of a ban they have no rights to put into place, Amstaff is not a restricted breed to unofficially lump in with the breeds that are on the basis of a whim it appears? Having said that, the ground staff are probably breed idiots anyway where an Amstaff would be accepted booked in as Labrador/Ridgeback X. Arguing against a policy written in black and white is harder than arguing that the dog booked to fly is not an Amstaff is a better way to tackle the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Customs Act only affects animals entering or leaving the country. Those breeds above a not extracted exclusively from the Customs Act. They are from the Qantas rules. Every organisation has their own rules. Qantas also won't fly Pugs, Bulldogs, Frenchies, Boston terriers etc due to aircraft/animal safety. Its called risk assessment. Dogs that die/come ill on flights are historically Brachy breeds. No prejudice about it. Its about saving their own arse from people suing them cause it died. Dogs that historically escape from crates are bull breeds - -they have very strong jaws and can and do chew their way out of crates. This is then aircraft safety. Movements in bulk hold cause problems. AS do loose dogs when they don't know its loose and they open the plane to be greeted by a dog that has usually injured itself chewing/clawing its way out!!!! Or the loose dog makes a run for it across the tarmac...... major problem for planes, personnel and the dog!!!! So stop trying to make it a BSL issue. Its simply the rules that they have decided reduces some risks to an acceptable level..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Customs Act only affects animals entering or leaving the country. Those breeds above a not extracted exclusively from the Customs Act. They are from the Qantas rules. Every organisation has their own rules. Qantas also won't fly Pugs, Bulldogs, Frenchies, Boston terriers etc due to aircraft/animal safety. Its called risk assessment. Dogs that die/come ill on flights are historically Brachy breeds. No prejudice about it. Its about saving their own arse from people suing them cause it died. Dogs that historically escape from crates are bull breeds - -they have very strong jaws and can and do chew their way out of crates. This is then aircraft safety. Movements in bulk hold cause problems. AS do loose dogs when they don't know its loose and they open the plane to be greeted by a dog that has usually injured itself chewing/clawing its way out!!!! Or the loose dog makes a run for it across the tarmac...... major problem for planes, personnel and the dog!!!! So stop trying to make it a BSL issue. Its simply the rules that they have decided reduces some risks to an acceptable level..... Lucky Virgin aren't so closed minded, they are going to get more business, while Qantas loses it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Double post Edited January 5, 2013 by mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan B Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Lucky Virgin aren't so closed minded, they are going to get more business, while Qantas loses it. It does make Qantas look incredibly incompetent when other airlines here and across the world can safely transport AmStaffs (some transport the dogs on our actual banned list too) without incident. Maybe Qantas needs to hire a better risk assessor? Especially if that person is the one who told them AmStaffs are 'historically aggressive.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbath Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 So stop trying to make it a BSL issue. Its simply the rules that they have decided reduces some risks to an acceptable level..... Qantas made it a BSL issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 So stop trying to make it a BSL issue. Its simply the rules that they have decided reduces some risks to an acceptable level..... Qantas made it a BSL issue. Exactly, I suspect maybe some who are sticking up for them, may work for them. There is NO reason that any dog can't be flown, if it is in a strong crate & locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Customs Act only affects animals entering or leaving the country. Those breeds above a not extracted exclusively from the Customs Act. They are from the Qantas rules. Every organisation has their own rules. Qantas also won't fly Pugs, Bulldogs, Frenchies, Boston terriers etc due to aircraft/animal safety. Its called risk assessment. Dogs that die/come ill on flights are historically Brachy breeds. No prejudice about it. Its about saving their own arse from people suing them cause it died. Dogs that historically escape from crates are bull breeds - -they have very strong jaws and can and do chew their way out of crates. This is then aircraft safety. Movements in bulk hold cause problems. AS do loose dogs when they don't know its loose and they open the plane to be greeted by a dog that has usually injured itself chewing/clawing its way out!!!! Or the loose dog makes a run for it across the tarmac...... major problem for planes, personnel and the dog!!!! So stop trying to make it a BSL issue. Its simply the rules that they have decided reduces some risks to an acceptable level..... QANTAS made it a BSL issue when they stated more than once on their Facebook page that the breed is on the list because it is 'historically aggressive'. Nothing about dogs busting out of crates and eating the plane. As others have said, Virgin and other aircrafts seem to be able to transport them without issue, so if it WAS due to escapes that just tells me that Qantas are totally incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Customs Act only affects animals entering or leaving the country. Those breeds above a not extracted exclusively from the Customs Act. They are from the Qantas rules. Every organisation has their own rules. Qantas also won't fly Pugs, Bulldogs, Frenchies, Boston terriers etc due to aircraft/animal safety. Its called risk assessment. Dogs that die/come ill on flights are historically Brachy breeds. No prejudice about it. Its about saving their own arse from people suing them cause it died. Dogs that historically escape from crates are bull breeds - -they have very strong jaws and can and do chew their way out of crates. This is then aircraft safety. Movements in bulk hold cause problems. AS do loose dogs when they don't know its loose and they open the plane to be greeted by a dog that has usually injured itself chewing/clawing its way out!!!! Or the loose dog makes a run for it across the tarmac...... major problem for planes, personnel and the dog!!!! So stop trying to make it a BSL issue. Its simply the rules that they have decided reduces some risks to an acceptable level..... QANTAS made it a BSL issue when they stated more than once on their Facebook page that the breed is on the list because it is 'historically aggressive'. Nothing about dogs busting out of crates and eating the plane. As others have said, Virgin and other aircrafts seem to be able to transport them without issue, so if it WAS due to escapes that just tells me that Qantas are totally incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 So stop trying to make it a BSL issue. Its simply the rules that they have decided reduces some risks to an acceptable level..... Qantas made it a BSL issue. Umm no hang on. BSL is "Breed speific legislation" What Qantas has done and they are entitled to is put policies and proceedures in place, for what they think is in the best interests of their business and staff safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 So stop trying to make it a BSL issue. Its simply the rules that they have decided reduces some risks to an acceptable level..... Qantas made it a BSL issue. Umm no hang on. BSL is "Breed speific legislation" What Qantas has done and they are entitled to is put policies and proceedures in place, for what they think is in the best interests of their business and staff safety. It seems to have become a BSL issue since amstaffs were banned from Qantas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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