natalieandcid Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Thank you everyone so much for all your help, all advice is welcome :) and Labradork you have given me wonderful advice and i appreciated it :) We have been feeding him pal puppy wet food with some mashed up carrots, i want to get him on some sort of vitamin supplement because part of his medical treatment plan is a ongoing course of laxatives it can create a vitamin/mineral imbalance and right now Cid needs all the nutrients he can get. Jed the vet was saying one of the potential causes is that Cid has a little bob tail (as all frenchies do) and the way the tail points down could create pressure on Cids anus/rectum that gives him the sensation to strain and push more than he needs to hence creating the prolapse. Manx cats are more likely do suffer from prolapse bowel as well according to google. I'm not convinced his tail was the cause i think it was the Ensal that was the straw the broke the camels back. He went from having loose bowels to being constipated and straining. The vet didnt take a stool sample as he said pathology servises would be hard to access during the Christmas time period but put him on prophylactic metronidazole, and i know at work we use that to treat patients with Clostridium difficile, so cid should be covered for parasites/bacteria? i think but he could have IBS so i will request a stool spec. If Cid needs to have the coloplexy we want a referral to the Melbourne vet specialist. Also Clyde what was the outcome with your experience with prolapsed bowel, our vet was telling us that as a rule of thumb the condition has a poor prognosis and it would be highly possible we maybe have to put him down. We have been taking him for daily check ups with the vet and for now his anus looks as good as it can be and his pain is gone and his temperature is down so fingers and toes crossed. Edited December 28, 2012 by natalieandcid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Prior to Cids prolapse he had been having ongoing bowel issues from the age of 8 weeks with loose bowl movements we attemted to treat this is worming tablets (Inceptor every 2 weeks and then monthly from 12 weeks) and diet (feeding advance dry food with boiled chicken and rice) the week of Cids prolapse we gave ensal (4ml three times a day) to treat his loose bowel movements. After a day of this treatment cid appeared to be constipated so we stopped giving the ensal. At this time it was hard to gauge his bowel movements as he started eating his own faeces. was all the above under the vet's instructions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Also Clyde what was the outcome with your experience with prolapsed bowel, our vet was telling us that as a rule of thumb the condition has a poor prognosis and it would be highly possible we maybe have to put him down. She was fecally incontinent. The prolapses were due to an extreme case of hookworm (which came with her when we got her from a breeder as a mature adult). We then took her to a specialist after the worms cleared as she kept prolapsing. She also had polyps through her bowel and it turns out she had cancer. We had part of her intestine or something (bowel) removed? Sorry, all a bit hazy it was years ago and that stopped the prolapses but then the cancer had spread to her lungs and she was put to sleep. all this happened in a really short time (6 months or so?) after paying for all the above, plus having her spayed and also palate surgery as she had difficulty breathing. Not to mention the heart ache of getting very attached to her. sorry, still feel bitter about it Hopefully something can be sorted out for your little guy. I do agree with the others that the breeder would (should!) be a good support for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajacadoo Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I had one of my dogs have a small prolapse, the middle of last year. He was a young 18 month old entire male Basenji. We went ahead with putting a suture in and he was on a sloppy diet for about 6-8 weeks, as well as twice daily doses of Lactulose, and a course of A/B as well. We very gradually weaned him off the Lactulose and back onto his normal diet, including raw meaty bones, and has had no issues with it at all. Dont know what caused it, or why it happened. There are no incidences of prolapsed bowel in his lines as far as my research tells me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Please follow your vets advice. I have human bowel issues and sometimes I need to eat highly processed food (on advice from the doctor) because normal healthy food leaves me in agony and can cause other medical complications. I'm not a fan of PAL but it does provide adequate nutrition. If you want to add less processed food, ease consult your vet first as less processed food makes your bowel work a lot harder, which he may not need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natalieandcid Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 Rebanna we were following the vets advice with Cids treatment. Had a scare today, my boyfriend and i came home and Cid had something hanging out of his bottom so i panicked and assumed Cids bowel prolapsed again. Turns out he had been somehow eatting my long hair and it was poo that was still attached to him my via my hair, How ever his anus was swollen and pulsating but we observed him for an hour and it went back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenchel Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Not saying that she will know any more than your vet and also hoping your vet is willing to seek other opinions, but Dr Karen Hedberg at North Richmond Veterinary Hospital in NSW breeds Frenchies, so she may have some experience/knowledge with this issue. She has been unwell since breaking her hip, so don't know whether you will be able to contact her. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natalieandcid Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share Posted July 27, 2013 (edited) Cid has had another prolapse, his forth one to be precise. This one would have to be his worst he is currently at the vets and they are going to try to do another purse string. If he makes it though this we will try for the colopexy depending on this cost vs success rate. But at this point its not looking good Cids bowel prolapsed when we were out so by the time we got home and found him, his bowel had turned a dark/congested color similar to a plum which is never good so who knows if his bowel is even functional at this point. Tomorrow we will call a few specialist vets we find off google to find out more about the Colopexy its just horrible to spend $3500 on a puppy, fall in love with the puppy and it become the equivalent of your child and to have him possibly pass away before he is a year old...horrible. The breeder is aware of Cids condition but unable to offer any advice. Edited July 28, 2013 by natalieandcid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 (edited) I have no advice to offer, but best wishes for Cid. I am sorry you are all having to go through this. Edited July 27, 2013 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily123 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Oh Natalieandcid, I am so sorry to hear this. Poor little Cid. I hope you can find a specialist to help your little man. Hugs to you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 So sorry .. poor little man . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemappelle Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I'm so sorry to hear this and I wish Cid all the best in a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I have no advice - just so sorry this has happened to the poor little fellow. Best of luck finding someone who can possibly help him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 How is Cid Natalie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_454 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I believe there may be some updates in the French bulldog thread as Natalie frequents that thread quite a bit, I remembered reading about Sid a week or so ago... http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/106362-french-bulldog-thread/page__st__15825 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I believe there may be some updates in the French bulldog thread as Natalie frequents that thread quite a bit, I remembered reading about Sid a week or so ago... http://www.dolforums...page__st__15825 Thanks Will but the Frenchie I was concerned about is Cid-from-Victoria who is owned by Natalie, not Sid-from-Qld who is owned by Huga, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 boronia- why not send natalie a private message ? She may see that :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_454 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I believe there may be some updates in the French bulldog thread as Natalie frequents that thread quite a bit, I remembered reading about Sid a week or so ago... http://www.dolforums...page__st__15825 Thanks Will but the Frenchie I was concerned about is Cid-from-Victoria who is owned by Natalie, not Sid-from-Qld who is owned by Huga, I know - there are two frenchies called Sid and there was some talk in the thread about Cid and his prolapse, sorry I should have checked the spelling of his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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