natalieandcid Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Hi all just looking for advise with my 4 month old French bulldog puppy Cid. On the 23/12/12 my dog had a prolapsed bowel we promptly took him to our local vet who was fantastic, who rushed us in and reinserted his bowel and preformed a purse string suture to hold it in place. We have changed our dogs diet from advance dry food to wet palat the suggestion by our vet also adding tinned carrot for some added roughage. His current medical treatment regime is 1mg of laxapet 3 times a day, Amoxyclav (200mg) twice a day, metronidazole (100mg) twice a day and we also have been giving him sedation and analgesia as needed which is usually at night when he needs to poo and gets agitated and is in quite a bit of pain. Prior to Cids prolapse he had been having ongoing bowel issues from the age of 8 weeks with loose bowl movements we attemted to treat this is worming tablets (Inceptor every 2 weeks and then monthly from 12 weeks) and diet (feeding advance dry food with boiled chicken and rice) the week of Cids prolapse we gave ensal (4ml three times a day) to treat his loose bowel movements. After a day of this treatment cid appeared to be constipated so we stopped giving the ensal. At this time it was hard to gauge his bowel movements as he started eating his own faeces. The advice i'm looking for is what else can we do as from google and our vets advice prolapsed bowels have a very poor prognosis. If the purse string stitch dosent work my boyfriend and I are looking into the procedure coloplexy I was wondering if anyone has had any experience/ success with the operation as anecdotal evidence would suggest it has quite a good outcome. Im also from the south east of Melbourne and any suggestion of vets and prices would be very much appreciated. Lastly should we tell our breeder (ANKC registered and our boy Cid came with main papers) about the situation as the vet feels that his tail could be one of the potential causes for the prolapse. Its been quite a horrible Christmas with lots of tears we love our dog Cid and want to give him the best chance Edited December 27, 2012 by natalieandcid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Oh poor Cid... Sorry to hear that you have had such a terrible Christmas I'm sorry, I don't have any advice... I just wanted to wish you well with finding the best treatment for Cid. Edited December 27, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Poor little guy! Definetly tell his breeder, that should have been one of the first things you did. Or at least called her for some advice in case she's had any experience with it before. I don't have any experience but I'm sure some here will have some advice or help to offer you. He's a little cutie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 what a worrying Christmas. DEFINITELY contact the breeder asap. It is important they are aware of any problems . I have no experience of this condition, but hope it all turns out well for your gorgeous boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natalieandcid Posted December 27, 2012 Author Share Posted December 27, 2012 I will call her tomorrow, i just don't really know what to say because i don't want her to feel like we are accusing her of anything. He seems better today he hasn't required and sedation or analgesia for 24 hours and seems brighter.The real test is when his purse string stitch comes out on the 6th of Jan. Tomorrow my boyfriend and i are going to pet barn to try to get him some vitamin supplements and more nutritious food ...and maybe some more toys :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 So, what exactly is the puppy being fed now? What 'more nutritious ' food do you expect to buy at petbarn? and what exactly did your vet suggest you feed..and for how long? When you speak with the breeder .. tell her what you told us - that you love Cid ..he has been unwell, and now he has had surgery for a prolapsed bowel . keep it simple and honest .. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I agree, Advance is a good quality food, and chopping and changeing all the time won't help. I would call his breeder asap . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natalieandcid Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) We were feeding him advance puppy dry food, chicken and rice before his prolapse. After Cids prolapse the vet advised up to feed him cheap food like pal wet food that would be easy for him to pass but didn't give us a frame and we have been adding mashed up carrots. His bowel movements are looking better and he is passing 2/3 movements a day (hard to tell as if we are not quick he eats his poo). Edited December 28, 2012 by natalieandcid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Hmm, PAL might be easy to pass but he's not getting many nutrients from it. I have no experience with a prolapsed bowel, but I'd be more likely to be feeding fresh minces which are also easy to digest and pass but he can at least get some goodness from (if the vet is advocating a mush/wet something as opposed to a dry food). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Hi Here's what I would be feeding Cid (if the vet is prescibing soft food)... Chicken mince (human grade from the butcher/supermarket) with steamed/mashed pumpkin and zucchini and flaxseed oil. You could also add a little brown rice. But I would change his diet very gradually. I would stay away from Advance and Pal... And consider changing his diet to either a raw food diet or a diet of a good quality kibble and raw meaty bones... But only once he is well enough. You could also try Vets All Natural... http://www.vetsallnatural.com.au/ In my opinion, a good quality kibble is any one of the following: Holistic Select Artemis Canidae Taste of the Wild Earthborn Holistic Innova (if you can afford it) This is where I buy my food from... http://www.naturalpetstore.com.au/c/24/shop-by-brand/ Edited December 28, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) And seek out the opinion of a second vet, if at anytime you're not happy with what your vet has to say! :) Edited December 28, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 At present, as the vet has explained ..pup needs a low residue /easy to pass food ..soft, and not at all bulky or formed .. Pup does not need to strain at all if possible, those stiches do not need any pressure put on them, lest there is tearing , etc. ... and canned food does this, as it has lots of water in . Meat/mince , esp with bone, will be dryer and harder to pass .. and dry /fibrous food adds bulk, which may stretch the bowel/anal muscles . My two cents worth ? I would stick to the canned until you see the vet again...then change gradually onto a better diet , if all is well. having canned food for a couple of weeks will not do any permanent damage to your boy , AFAIK.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) What Persephone is saying is right... I forgot about the strain on the suture. I was worried about Cid eating canned food because it isn't very nutritious and in my opinion dogs need building up after an operation. Though, the chicken mince I suggested (human grade) doesn't contain bone and it's very wet and mushy... And perhaps you could puree the vegetables? eta I've been doing a bit of reading online and a Prolapsed Bowel isn't always genetic... It can also be caused by irritation to the bowel, among other things. Until you find out for sure, I would also add some slippery elm powder to his diet. Edited December 28, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gertrude139 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Poor little Sid give him a hug for me. Definitely contact the breeder as quickly as you can. Inform them of the situation and ask for their advice and I don't think they will see it as an accusation, just let them know you want the best for him and thought they may have some words of wisdom for you. Ask them for a recommendation about the food and possible supplements as well, especially if they have dealt with this kind of problem before. My last lab pup had a prolapsed rectum at around 12 weeks of age, she had been having loose bowel movements as well and had spent a night on fluids at the vets around 2 weeks earlier when blood was discovered in her stools (wasn't parvo). As she was a guide dog pup we had to do what they recommended, the guide dogs feed only Advance kibble normally but from memory she had a few small meals of plain soft boiled rice then with some BBQ chicken added (meat only no skin) before she went back onto Advance. In her case though the vet opted not to do the surgery so no stitches were put in, so Cid's food requirements might be different as he has had the surgery. They said it can be genetic and if it was genetic in her case it would be likely to keep happening, luckily it was not and she was fine afterwards. Due to the bowel problems she had been having since we had got her (she was already sick when we got her) the vet thought she would probably have problems for a while but they were wrong so hopefully it will be the same for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Poor bub Have you seen a specialist yet? I'd want to rule out IBS or colitis or any number of the odd intestinal diseases before complex surgery. And a test of his faeces to rule out any nasties. And yes, talk to your breeder if you feel comfortable - it might be early days and you won't have much to tell them but they may have a snippet of info you can add to the vet's file. Best of luck. Awful time of year to have a sick loved one. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I am sorry you had had so much trouble with Cid - let's hope it all gets sorted, and I am sure you are very worried about him Please do tell the breeder. What does your vet think the problem with the tail is that affects his bowel? And, please do continue to feed what the vet recommended. He had reasons for that. Don't change his diet or if you want to, ask him first. Hope all goes well with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 And, please do continue to feed what the vet recommended. He had reasons for that. Don't change his diet or if you want to, ask him first. I agree. I had a British Bulldog with a prolapsed bowel and my vet also told me to feed Pal. You dont want your dog straining to poo at all. While it's not the greatest food (ie pretty darn terrible), plenty of dogs live just fine on it for life - so short term wont hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 There are going to be lots of different opinions in here :laugh: I'm sorry, perhaps I shouldn't have shared mine? I didn't mean to overwhelm you. Good luck with everything :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Does anyone know of a good specialist in the Melbourne area the OP may be able to talk to? If the vet is querying Cids' tail causing a problem he should have scans and an expert opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 The breeder may know of someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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