Greylvr Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 Ah, thanks for clearing that up! I am sometimes amazed myself at the amount of self control the dog has in just freezing and pointing. I am still having trouble having her hold when the animal makes a break for it, but it can be done as long as I am not slow to react. I can't believe a dog can actually run down a rabbit, Foxy has tried and has no hope :p And the foxes are just plain too clever, they run behind an obstacle, wait for the dog to get close enough to have their vision blocked and then break into a different direction out of sight o the dog. We have not done any scent work yet so Foxy does not know to use her nose to find the trail, she just runs straight haha How do you find the dog if it does not return? Also, are you still allowed to hunt using coursing hounds or is it guns only now? I have never hunted with sighthounds but when building some website for some hunters with beagles and Curs they told me they put a tracking collar on them to find them if they dont come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Ah, I saw those but they are like $450!! Lol what did they do back in the days before they had those? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Ah, I saw those but they are like $450!! Lol what did they do back in the days before they had those? lol Back in the day, coursing was a rich man's sport in large fenced acreages. Back before fences they rode on horseback to keep up. Coursing live hare is illegal in Australia, and is not a nice experience for the hare. Greyhounds were never expected to come back on command, then or now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Wow, this is really interesting! I am surprised that coursing live hares is not allowed but pigging with pack of dogs is ? (Correct me if I'm wrong, many people seem to do it anywways). Is it because the pig dog handler is supposed to make the kill even if the dogs are the first ones on the pig whereas with hounds and hares the hounds make the kill? Also, what about ratting with terriers? Is that still allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Brisbane council had a team of terriers for ratting. Not sure if they were supposed to kill the rats or just flush them out. The laws don't talk about what the breed of dog is or what the prey is, but they do ban setting a dog onto another animal to kill it. If a pig dog just holds the pig, it's owner isn't breaking the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylvr Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 Brisbane council had a team of terriers for ratting. Not sure if they were supposed to kill the rats or just flush them out. The laws don't talk about what the breed of dog is or what the prey is, but they do ban setting a dog onto another animal to kill it. If a pig dog just holds the pig, it's owner isn't breaking the law. I use to do trials with my JRT and he had to go under ground follow a series of tunnels and find the rat which was in a cage and asleep most the time That was pretty fun and then we had the JRT races so fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Ah, that clears that up! Yes, officially they only hold the pig but of course nobody can police this out in the sticks. I think I'd better go find a relevant thread for my questions now, sorry for hijacking this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Ah, thanks for clearing that up! I am sometimes amazed myself at the amount of self control the dog has in just freezing and pointing. I am still having trouble having her hold when the animal makes a break for it, but it can be done as long as I am not slow to react. The greyhound that just stands and stares at a cat in the house and never even flicks an ear when you speak to it is not cat friendly at all. If you can break the gaze with minimum effort then the greyhound can be worked with. But yes they will lunge at the cat, especially if it moves. The unbreakable fixed gaze is my biggest clue to how they will go with a cat. Sometimes the lunging and yipping is mostly excitement and can also be worked with - if you know what you are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Ah, thanks for clearing that up! I am sometimes amazed myself at the amount of self control the dog has in just freezing and pointing. I am still having trouble having her hold when the animal makes a break for it, but it can be done as long as I am not slow to react. I can't believe a dog can actually run down a rabbit, Foxy has tried and has no hope :p And the foxes are just plain too clever, they run behind an obstacle, wait for the dog to get close enough to have their vision blocked and then break into a different direction out of sight o the dog. We have not done any scent work yet so Foxy does not know to use her nose to find the trail, she just runs straight haha How do you find the dog if it does not return? Also, are you still allowed to hunt using coursing hounds or is it guns only now? Whippets are the fastest dogs in the world over a short distance. I find non-whippet folk who see the dogs at speed tend to have to pick their jaws up off the ground. They are blisteringly fast. They can run up to 50kph, but like a cheetah, cannot sustain their speed for long. If the catch hasn't been made within a few hundred metres, the dogs will give up before they overheat. If a rabbit does not go to ground and cannot out manoevre the dogs (they are traditionally coursed in pairs) it is toast. Hares on the other hand are larger, wilier, faster and can turn on a dime. In countries where hares can be legally coursed, the hare wins two times in three I believe. Whippets will usually make their kills within sight of the place they are released. However I don't think coursing live prey is legal anywhere in Australia. The larger sighthounds are quite specialised for both the terrain and the prey they were bred to course. They will travel much longer distances and I think many were traditionally followed on horseback. This is probably a discussion we should be having in the sighthound thread! I find the differences between the varying sighthound breeds quite fascinating. Edited December 16, 2012 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylvr Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 Ah, thanks for clearing that up! I am sometimes amazed myself at the amount of self control the dog has in just freezing and pointing. I am still having trouble having her hold when the animal makes a break for it, but it can be done as long as I am not slow to react. The greyhound that just stands and stares at a cat in the house and never even flicks an ear when you speak to it is not cat friendly at all. If you can break the gaze with minimum effort then the greyhound can be worked with. But yes they will lunge at the cat, especially if it moves. The unbreakable fixed gaze is my biggest clue to how they will go with a cat. Sometimes the lunging and yipping is mostly excitement and can also be worked with - if you know what you are doing. We have one that is so fixated on cats we didnt even try it with cats, we can tell she wont go well. Lucky was a bit different didnt care about the cat when she saw it and if she saw it through the door we would tell her lucky no come here and she would. We tried her with the cat and it was a no go. So we wont place her with cats either but like you said you can usually tell when its not even worth trying with the cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelsquest Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Gonna have to take Lucky into the vet looks like she has ear mites poor girl. Did you end up taking her to the vet Greylvr? Nope gotta call monday to set an appointment. Did you get Lucky to the vet today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9angel Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Any news on Lucky? :) How did she go at the vet? hoping all went well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Any news on Lucky? :) How did she go at the vet? hoping all went well. Lucky has been moved on as well as Ina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Any news on Lucky? :) How did she go at the vet? hoping all went well. Lucky has been moved on as well as Ina. As in they found permanent home already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) Any news on Lucky? :) How did she go at the vet? hoping all went well. Lucky has been moved on as well as Ina. As in they found permanent home already? no and not PTS, moved on elsewhere Edited December 18, 2012 by Rebanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Any news on Lucky? :) How did she go at the vet? hoping all went well. Lucky has been moved on as well as Ina. As in they found permanent home already? no Oh, we'll I guess she was just fostering them, despite loud protestations to the contrary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylvr Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 Lucky hasnt been moved on she is in a foster home for now. Lucky is fine and doing well actually not that you guys really care about Lucky or Ina or any dog you just get a kick out of our misery you guys are too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyWal Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 No that's not right Greylvr. I don't get a kick out your misery at all and am concerned about the dogs as everyone is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 No it's quite upsetting to read about because misery could have been avoided. I think you should remove the dogs from sale until they are healthy and ready to be adopted. The dogs haven't had enough time to adjust either. Why the rush to get them into homes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylvr Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 They are not up for sale, they are posted on my facebook, and Ina is posted on egreyhound. They wouldnt be going to be adopted until they are ready. So new rule no rescue can place a dog on a site unless its ready to be homed? Gotcha should I alert all rescues with dogs up that arnt ready for adoption right that minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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