Blakbelgian Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Dear All, Now that Neuters are allowed to compete for their own BOB's & Neuter in show at all breeds and at their Speciality clubs shows, do you feel that neuters should be allowed to compete in the Special/property classes? eg best head, tail, coat, gait, colored, feet, parent & progeny etc etc Would you kick up a fuss if a neuter won such classes? IF your club allows them to, what is the wording on your clubs show schedule? (PMS accepted). I can not find anything in the VCA rules to state that they can't enter them. PLEASE NO FLAMMING. The only class I feel a Neuter could have an advantage is Best Coated. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I certainly wouldn't complain if a neuter got it. The only thing I could see being a difference would be coat. In my breed the neuters do tend to have the bigger coats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meea Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 +1. The more support for Neuters showing the better. The coat issue would need to be discussed at breed level. In my breed it is only the girls. Meea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry lee Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I am not a supporter of neuters being shown. However, if there are a classes for them & they are entered I think they should be allowed to enter any property classes at that show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakbelgian Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 Bugger bugger Spoke to Janet at the VCA, No they can't enter these classes as they are on a Neuter main register not THE main register. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paptacular! Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Bugger, I would be behind neuters in the property classes too. Surely it wouldn't take much to amend the rules to include neuter register as well as main being eligible for property classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretty Miss Emma Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I still don't understand what property classes are (so if anyone wants to give me a brief rundown about that it would be most appreciated!!!)! But I new so I guess that's to be expected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakbelgian Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Pretty Miss Emma, Property classes or special classes can be whatever a club wants them to be. For example my breed club uses ther main points of our standard eg best coat, best head, best feet, best gait, best tail (now that we have to have one), best colored (other than black), best brace, best Parent & progeny or best Owner Bred & Handled. also have best Q C, (Qualifying Certificate) for those with more than just conformation title. For these classes the club usually contracts trainee judges as its one way for them to learn about the breed. Perhaps other breed clubs have different property classes???? BB P.S I don't see why a Neuter can NOT enter any of these classes except perhaps coat. Edited December 4, 2012 by Blakbelgian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 If you have enough neuters entered why not try and get their own property classes. Maybe donate a sash for the winners or ask for sash donations for the neuter classes. How about asking the breeders of your breed to donate. As neuter classes are starting to become more popular the breeders may be happy to put some of their better stock on the Neuter Register and have it in the ring. Just another way of promoting your breed to those that do not wish to keep an entire but would be happy to show a neuter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry lee Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Bugger bugger Spoke to Janet at the VCA, No they can't enter these classes as they are on a Neuter main register not THE main register. BB I'd be checking that out. Property classes aren't ''official'' sanctioned classes. They are more a novelty class for want of a better word, determined by the club. Do they even require official ANKC approved judges? If you are entered in the show you should be eligble to pay your couple of bucks on the day & enter the property classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirawee Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 My understanding is that there is also only one main register... the dogs competing in neuter classes are still on the same register (their number doesn't change) they are just listed as neuter :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meea Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 My understanding is that there is also only one main register... the dogs competing in neuter classes are still on the same register (their number doesn't change) they are just listed as neuter :) +1 I have my orig cert. Just has a stamp on it. Neuters HAVE to be main reg to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyntahn Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm the show secretary for the german shorthaired pointer club of victoria, and the last two years, neuters have been allowed to compete in the veterans class (non competing), and also the class for dogs that have a qualifying certificate in say obedience, retrieving, agility etc. I'm sure I rang the VCA about this and they said it was a domestic decision, ie up to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armahani Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I'm the show secretary for the german shorthaired pointer club of victoria, and the last two years, neuters have been allowed to compete in the veterans class (non competing), and also the class for dogs that have a qualifying certificate in say obedience, retrieving, agility etc. I'm sure I rang the VCA about this and they said it was a domestic decision, ie up to the club. We received contrary advise :) - we contacted the rules and regs committee (Dogs Vic) before our last show and were told that neuters were not eligible to enter most property classes (other than a veterans special class / sweepstake as long as it isn't an ordinary class eligible for challenge). The reason we were given is that because the rules are "silent" on the issue (ie when the neuter challenge/championship rules were introduced there was no corresponding change also giving neuters other "showing rights" so to speak in any other type of class). So therefore the basic rule/premise that neuters can't compete in conformation stands (except where there are specific written exceptions in the rules). Personally I think they should be able to compete in property classes - these are largely "fun" classes anyway. Although for many breeds I can see a good reason for excluding them from a "best coat" class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toshman Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 In my breed (Border Terriers), here in NSW, neuters are allowed to enter the property classes at our speciality show annually - have done for years. I presume that it would be the same for all breeds in NSW if they have speciality breed shows with property classes - or maybe the clubs are allowed to just say no? We have gait, pelt, head and foot classes..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakbelgian Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 Our Special classes are the main points about our breed and get trainees to judge it so they learn about the breed. Except for coat, let them enter as many as they want. Armahni, do you remember which person you spoke to from the rules & reg committee? BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armahani Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Our Special classes are the main points about our breed and get trainees to judge it so they learn about the breed. Except for coat, let them enter as many as they want. Armahni, do you remember which person you spoke to from the rules & reg committee? BB Will PM you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverHaze Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 When i ran our speciality shows, and this was before even the neuter register, I would have let a desexed dog enter in properties (and probably did). They arent competiting for a challenge certificate, the properties arent regular classes, so I don't see what the harm is. Hell, in NSW property classes are a bit of fun and are an enter on the day type of class. Much better in my opinion. It is ridiculous that we dont have standard rules across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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