People's Prejudice Against Dog Breeders.

[tdierikx]

I think the issue here donatella, is that you are trying to push YOUR opinion as the only one that is valid... and that can irk some people... *grin*

T.

[Andisa]

Sometimes you can get a much bigger litter than you were expecting, for example, my Aussie was in a litter of 12, not really the normal amount! If there are a couple of puppies left at say 12-14 weeks, I see nothing wrong with reducing the price.

Depends what breed you're talking some don't/rarely have large litters.

Also it's been said before that buyers often expect a cheaper price for an older dog but why? It's had more training and work put into it, they aren't worth any less then an 8 week old puppy. I have no problem with a price reduction done tactfully ie not WAS and NOW.

But thats just my personal view.

For heavens sake there could be any number of reasons why, if the Breeder screens the buyers who gives a toss. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill, or are very bored.

I'm not the one getting upset here just giving an opinion and having a discussion. Cool your jets.

And you have given your opinion several times already..

[dotdashdot]

I've actually never heard of the breeder until I saw their ad. If you need to reduce the price of your pup because you aren't getting enough interest (if this is the reason) should you really be breeding?

Why should you not be breeding if you need to reduce the price of a puppy to have it in its new home when its ready to go home?

Believe it or not sometimes puppies are sold and then at the last minute someone may change their mind, sometimes they all want girls and you get boys and vice versa .Sometimes you have dozens of people on a waiting list and when you go back to them they have all found a puppy somewhere. Geez sometimes the economy is slow and people don't have as much money to spend.

Sometimes the breeder is too worried about advertising in many other places in case someone decides its unethical for them to do that too.

And then my mentor, in her last litter had a case of a couple people backing out of buying one of her gorgeous pups, because she was very very heavily spotted (dalmatian) and had a slight kink in her tail.

Personally, I'd be much more annoyed at an ad that said "just in time for xmas" or something along those lines (usually see those ads in the newspaper, usually not reg. breeders)

[Guest donatella]

I think the issue here donatella, is that you are trying to push YOUR opinion as the only one that is valid... and that can irk some people... *grin*

T.

I've only responded to questions asked on why I thought that.

It's really okay for people to view things differently. I'm not trying to start a fight.

Anyway enough of it as a difference in opinion is something that could go round in circles forever :D

[JulesP]

I've got a couple of my pups at Xmas anyhow. I like having a couple of weeks off work to spend with the new pup so Xmas works well.

[Steve]

I think the issue here donatella, is that you are trying to push YOUR opinion as the only one that is valid... and that can irk some people... *grin*

T.

I've only responded to questions asked on why I thought that.

It's really okay for people to view things differently. I'm not trying to start a fight.

Anyway enough of it as a difference in opinion is something that could go round in circles forever :D

Yep you're right but when a whole bunch of people get together who are motivated to make breeders look bad they jump on small crap like this and bag out the breeder for a couple of years over it and post like yours here or there feed it.

[casowner]

Well I had a look at that ad (as I am sure a lot of other people have now) and the breeder sounds great, she has explained temperaments/home suitability and seems to genuinely only want the best home for her pups. That ad would make me want to contact the breeder if I was looking for that breed as it shows that she is interested in lineage, socialising and training the price/Christmas thing wouldn't have put me off, I think having personality traits on each pup was awesome

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For a Breeder to be able to instantly take back any dog that is in need, they most probably are going to need kennel facilities, then most likely the dog wont be sent back because as we read time and time again the owners don't want them going into a kennel situation, so they are better off going to rescue to add to the burdens there and also fueling the Breeders don't look after their own train of thought. If I was raising a litter of pups in the house underfoot, because that is "the best way" then I am no doubt then in strife with the powers that be because pups must whelped in kennels, but I also couldn't add a strange dog to the household mix because of the risks. What to do?? Breeding dogs is getting more and more like one of those crazy time management games.

Breeders and breeders that rescue should have without a doubt a quarantine area. So should be able to take back or take in a dog at anytime. Yes?

But that pre-supposes that breeders will have kennels so they can provide a quarantine area, does it not?

A quarantine area doesnt pre-suppose anything....I dont have kennels but I do have a quarantine area....albeit a cubby within a fenced run. :)

But that is a kennel, is it not?

Quarantine.... A state, period, or place of isolation in which people or animals are placed.....isolation. I give up :)

You miss the point - sometimes things change, sometimes things happen sometimes the cubby house is all full sometimes the breed is a bigger management issue ,sometimes you have run out of money to be able to feed it and vet it ,sometimes its either the rescue dog or your spouse,sometimes you are not well and you have enough on your plate . The point is ideally we would all take the dog back ,ideally we would all take responsibility but sometimes we shouldn't and we should respect each other enough to accept that each of us will make the best decisions we can at the time rather than beating the hell out of someone because they cant .

And that is one of my add-ons. If you can't take a dog back, then see you later.

You acknowledege that for you to buy a puppy from a particular breeder they must agree to take that dog back should your circumstances make it necessary and warrant it. Why then do you not give the breeder the same consideration that when and if this should arise,they may not be in a position to do so. Why would you hold them to a higher accountability than you hold yourself.

[SkySoaringMagpie]

I suspect the reason many people don't go back to the breeder is because that often means an uncomfortable conversation where the breeder may offer suggestions about adjustments they can make to keep the dog. In my experience once someone has decided they want to be rid of the dog they want to do it as expeditiously as possible.

SSM, there was an interesting paper on this. The authors conducted extensive interviews with people relinquishing their pets to an animal shelter. Your experience (my bold) is similar to what they found - however, it turns out there had been extensive procrastination (at least months) prior to suddenly wanting to be rid of the animal straight away. It was a difficult paper to read without some level of subjectivity (and fist shaking!) but it was a very interesting insight. In particular, the way people only "heard" what they wanted to hear from the shelter staff - even with serious issues such as aggression (and biting the owner!) they convinced themselves that the shelter would find a home for the dog.

That's really interesting TSD, is the paper publicly available? Would love to see a copy.

[Jed]

The problem for dogs and dog breeders is that they are totally in Animal Rights sights. It does not matter what breeders do or don't do, it will be totally wrong. And they will bring every dirty trick they have to bear on breeders.

Once you needed to look to the future to see what they were up to. Now, look to the past to see what damage they have done to registered dogs. PDE for instance.

We have seen that you can do a lot of damage with mass media. The prejudice was made, and is encouraged by Animal Rights, and that will continue until there are no registered dogs - or until we are so bound in numpty regulations that no one is interested in breeding, because our CCs in trying to appease AR will continue to bring in more and more regulations, as will governments.

Enjoy it while you can, breeders. Pet owners buy your purebred now if you want one.

Soon it will be the large commercial establishment turning out 1000 pups a year or nothing.

[WExtremeG]

In no particular order- 5 key things that my mum (as a reg breeder) has shown me that I admire and would follow if I ever did wish to breed.

1. Promotion other ways than ads- ie sport, showing ect

2. Breeding in line with the standard and not away from it

3. Genuine interest & love of the breed/s of choice

4. Health Testing for genetic issues or possible problems

5. Available to offer assistance to puppy buyers when needed and when appropriate

[BlaznHotAussies]

Such a sad situation damn animal rights...they're more interested in shutting down any kind of industry than animal rights IMO.

[Steve]

Its not just animal rights - we also need to look at the roles we play as well.