Guest Labradork Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. No way I'd take any pup of mine to a doggie day care centre. I'd rather crate it all day! The OP is reading all this and thinking it all through and hopefully comes up with a solution that suits them andthe puppy's best interests. It was just a suggestion. The OP will do whatever she chooses with her own dog. Edited November 14, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Now, Children.... play nice ... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You accused someone of possibly not having enough time to train/socialise their pup based on what information I don't know but I find it offensive and I would be offended if I was waiting for my new baby with excitement and people were telling me things like this. Way to put a downer on the situation. I think stick with the housing situation for the time being, it sounds like they have plenty of time to socialise train their pup The OP asked for advice and opinions and was given them. I was astounded that any breeder would sell a pup into this situation, but as the breeder 'doesn't have any time" to socialise, I can see how it would happen. Good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You accused someone of possibly not having enough time to train/socialise their pup based on what information I don't know but I find it offensive and I would be offended if I was waiting for my new baby with excitement and people were telling me things like this. Way to put a downer on the situation. I think stick with the housing situation for the time being, it sounds like they have plenty of time to socialise train their pup The OP asked for advice and opinions and was given them. I was astounded that any breeder would sell a pup into this situation, but as the breeder 'doesn't have any time" to socialise, I can see how it would happen. Good luck with that What exact situation are you talking? An employed experienced Dogue owner wanting to add a new pup into their life? Sounds like a terrible home to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Working people raise & socialise pups fine however sometimes it is threads like this that make me hate this modern thing of crating. We & pups used to survive without them. Those hours & being crated all night too, no matter whether anyone is there or not is far too long IMO. Even spending 3 hours before work does not compensate as a puppy this age cannot move continually for 3 hours. It will play then sleep in short bursts. Animals & especially when young need to move & have space, physically & emotionally. I have a mum with just one 3 week old kitten currently. The pen is 7 foot long & baby is roaming already & will be moved to a larger space soon. Mum is in & out as she likes so I cannot image a large puppy in a small crate. I would advise that you try & pick up a second hand aviary for outside or put a barrier across the kitchen door, tie up all the cupboard handles & move everything high up & leave pup in there with food, bed & water at one end & toilet area at the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You are entitled to your opinion, donatella, and you have given it. As I have given mine, and Labradork has given his. All equally valid, I think. I wonder what experience you have had with dogs, how many you have owned, whether you have seen them grow old and die, and whether you have owned large breed dogs? That was a rhetorical question, don't bother answering, I doubt that I shall return to this thread :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. No way I'd take any pup of mine to a doggie day care centre. I'd rather crate it all day! The OP is reading all this and thinking it all through and hopefully comes up with a solution that suits them andthe puppy's best interests. FFS it was just a suggestion. The OP will do whatever she chooses with her own freaking dog. I'm sorry I snapped at you, Rebanne. I was defensive after Donatella jumped on me. I know it's no excuse for crappy behaviour... I'm over-sensitive at the moment because I'm looking after my sister's Pug and he has been diagnosed with cancer. My sister is overseas and she has changed her mind about coming back for Christmas. And so I'm left to care for a dying Pug. Also, I can see what you mean about doggie day care. I imagine there would be lots of opportunities for negative experiences with other dogs and people. Potentially a nightmare! Didn't think of that :) Excuse me for hijacking your thread Aso. Edited November 13, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You are entitled to your opinion, donatella, and you have given it. As I have given mine, and Labradork has given his. All equally valid, I think. I wonder what experience you have had with dogs, how many you have owned, whether you have seen them grow old and die, and whether you have owned large breed dogs? That was a rhetorical question, don't bother answering, I doubt that I shall return to this thread :) LOL the old "my bike is bigger then yours" toke, well played. Yes I have experience with large dogs, I grew up with them but no I am not a breeder and no I have never had to home a dog. The large breed dogs we had were 15 when one was put down for heart disease and her sister the week after as she just was not coping with the absence and went off her food and life in general. I think that's pretty impressive for a large breed, they lived great lives and I think to get to 15 is a fantastic example of this. They were not however the giant size of Dogues so I guess ya got me Jed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. No way I'd take any pup of mine to a doggie day care centre. I'd rather crate it all day! The OP is reading all this and thinking it all through and hopefully comes up with a solution that suits them andthe puppy's best interests. FFS it was just a suggestion. The OP will do whatever she chooses with her own freaking dog. I'm sorry I snapped at you, Rebanne. I was defensive after Donatella jumped on me. I know it's no excuse for crappy behaviour... I'm over-sensitive at the moment because I'm looking after my sister's Pug and he has been diagnosed with cancer. My sister is overseas and she has changed her mind about coming back for Christmas. And so I'm left to care for a dying Pug. Also, I can see what you mean about doggie day care. I imagine there would be lots of opportunities for negative experiences with other dogs and people. Potentially a nightmare! Didn't think of that :) Excuse me for hijacking your thread Aso. all's good with me, don't stress :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. No way I'd take any pup of mine to a doggie day care centre. I'd rather crate it all day! The OP is reading all this and thinking it all through and hopefully comes up with a solution that suits them andthe puppy's best interests. FFS it was just a suggestion. The OP will do whatever she chooses with her own freaking dog. I'm sorry I snapped at you, Rebanne. I was defensive after Donatella jumped on me. I know it's no excuse for crappy behaviour... I'm over-sensitive at the moment because I'm looking after my sister's Pug and he has been diagnosed with cancer. My sister is overseas and she has changed her mind about coming back for Christmas. And so I'm left to care for a dying Pug. Also, I can see what you mean about doggie day care. I imagine there would be lots of opportunities for negative experiences with other dogs and people. Potentially a nightmare! Didn't think of that :) Excuse me for hijacking your thread Aso. all's good with me, don't stress :) Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 You accused someone of possibly not having enough time to train/socialise their pup based on what information I don't know but I find it offensive and I would be offended if I was waiting for my new baby with excitement and people were telling me things like this. Way to put a downer on the situation. I think stick with the housing situation for the time being, it sounds like they have plenty of time to socialise train their pup The OP asked for advice and opinions and was given them. I was astounded that any breeder would sell a pup into this situation, but as the breeder 'doesn't have any time" to socialise, I can see how it would happen. Good luck with that Jed please do not imply any wrongdoing on our breeder's part. She's selling a pup to a situation where he will be cared for & protected to the best of our ability. She is aware of my situation & my endeavours for a temporary fix. Guiding on what yo look out for & who to ask when she doesn't know the answer. She knows how much effort we have & are putting into providing for this pup. She does not have time to socialise our pup to fit into our lifestyle & daily environment. She does more than is required which makes it so much easier for us but our lifestyle & daily comings & goings are completely different so the pup will have to be socialised into our lives too ... getting used to outdoor restaurants, our training environment with the screaming & weights being dropped on the floor, bikes, traffic & countless other things. So please, no condescending comments about our breeder when she has done so much already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 But it doesn't sound like you have the time to train/socialise him either. 6 - 16 weeks is a critical period in a puppy's development. Confining him for most of the day is asking too much of a puppy. And confining him from 8 weeks - 16 weeks will definitely create behavioural problems down the track. Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. Labradork I understand that this is a critical period. We will be socialising (desensitising) our pup morning & evening and most of the weekends. Taking care of course that he's not overtired at any time. We have friends with well behaved dogs of all sizes that have been gentle with pups so they're a good start. We are also having a puppy consult with a reputable dog trainer to ensure that we start training & socialising properly. Not sure about the doggie daycare but I have emailed the local vets if they know someone who can come to let pup out for supervised play time in addition to when I can come home. So with the crate & run in the kitchen, that's our worst case temp scenario. It's only the "work time" containment that's throwing a spanner in the works. We have re-organised everything we csn think of to include pup in our lives. But working that out ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) No worries, Aso. It sounds like you are doing your best and I didn't mean to sound like I was criticising you. I was worried about your puppy being left on his own. I take it for granted that I'm able to work from home. And, in my experience, most people take time off work when they buy a new puppy. I forget that some people have to leave their puppies home alone. I think pet sitting/walking is a great idea and I wish you all the best with your new pup. Edited November 13, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphelion Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Sounds like you do want to do the best thing for your pup. I'd say in those early weeks a check in visit from someone would be great if possible. Over here there are student job seeker websites that advertise all sorts of odd jobs like that. I wonder if you have anything like that? I know as a student myself that I'm happy to do odd dog related jobs like walking and grooming because it fits around my studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) I have just realised something... I think there has been some confusion because I wasn't talking about obedience training, as in classes, in my earlier post. I was talking about the training and socialisation that happens at home (I thought this is what the OP meant too). I think the kind of home environment an owner provides is really important in shaping a dog's temperament. Does that make sense ?? Edited November 13, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlingdog Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Toileting and training issues aside....poor little bugger being left in a crate all that time. No life for a puppy whatever spin you like to put on it sorry. Let's face it...they are called crates but are .. in fact...cages. They have their place but suitable for weeks on end of confinement of a healthy young puppy...not in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 I have just realised something... I think there has been some confusion because I wasn't talking about obedience training, as in classes, in my earlier post. I was talking about the training and socialisation that happens at home (I thought this is what the OP meant too). I think the kind of home environment an owner provides is really important in shaping a dog's temperament. Does that make sense ?? Makes sense Labradork :) . The puppy consult we're going to is just for that, it's more for us than the puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 No worries, Aso. It sounds like you are doing your best and I didn't mean to sound like I was criticising you. I was worried about your puppy being left on his own. I take it for granted that I'm able to work from home. And, in my experience, most people take time off work when they buy a new puppy. I forget that some people have to leave their puppies home alone. I think pet sitting/walking is a great idea and I wish you all the best with your new pup. Thank you :) . I'm way way way sensitive about this whole subject too since we weren't really expecting to be in this situation. It's still 3 weeks away and things may change by then but I thought I'd better come up with a plan B (& C). It's so hard for me to explain details in writing too and I always read, type & send before I think . I have come away with brilliant ideas though and I'm very very thankful for that. I was quite upset when I showed my boyfriend this thread and he patted me on the head and said "Don't worry we'll fix it" and started measuring stuff up and will be doing a Bunnings run this weekend. God bless his cotton socks :D . I can only manage a week leave when we pick up Vader but have a couple of weeks after New Years which should help and we're really quiet during Dec which is a blessing. I'm sorry if it had seemed like I wasn't taking advise in, I am, just getting frustrated that some of the best ideas are out of my hands ... for now. Thanks again :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I think the run in the kitchen sounds fine, far better than just the crate :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yes it does give Vader more space but I imagine the damage a pup can do in a rental. I have dogs here who would have eaten the kitchen cupboards if left alone in there . Never underestimate the size of the damage from a large breed puppy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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