Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 slightly OT ..but I love the look of these.. wish I had some money! :) Thanks for this Persephone. I actually asked the owner for permission for something similar to this but the only pic I can find was really hideous and he said no because it will be unsightly. I have sent a pic of this away and will see what he says. They have just told us that they will be removing the old shed at the back which actually has a concrete base and hedges around which would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 A dogue on a raw diet is still going to produce a shitload of poop, don't kid yourself (pun intended) :laugh: Can you take the pup to work with you, even for a few hours a day? I did that with my new pup, rather that leave her home alone, and it worked out well. Try not to imagine this pup is going to be the same as your last pup, even dog is different, and just because one dog could hold on for a certain amount of time, doesn't mean another one can. Beg to differ with the raw meaty bones diet poop Minimax, my previous pup did very well with it and his poop was like little pellets and never sloppy :-) I can take my pup to work but he will still be in the soft crate in the back of the car, with all windows and the back open and crate fan and only if the temperature is okay. Will this be better? I can come out more often for his breaks and interaction. I understand what you mean about the pups being different, I think it makes it easier for me to have the protocols that worked before so I know where to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 A dogue on a raw diet is still going to produce a shitload of poop, don't kid yourself (pun intended) :laugh: Can you take the pup to work with you, even for a few hours a day? I did that with my new pup, rather that leave her home alone, and it worked out well. Try not to imagine this pup is going to be the same as your last pup, even dog is different, and just because one dog could hold on for a certain amount of time, doesn't mean another one can. Beg to differ with the raw meaty bones diet poop Minimax, my previous pup did very well with it and his poop was like little pellets and never sloppy :-) I can take my pup to work but he will still be in the soft crate in the back of the car, with all windows and the back open and crate fan and only if the temperature is okay. Will this be better? I can come out more often for his breaks and interaction. I understand what you mean about the pups being different, I think it makes it easier for me to have the protocols that worked before so I know where to start. Sloppy and quantity are different things! What breed was your previous dog? Both my dogs are fed a raw diet so I'm well aware of the output ;) However, I have pugs so the output is MUCH less than a DdB lol I can't see how being in a car is any different to being in a crate in a house, temperature being the only thing as cars can be like ovens (although there is probably a law against it, like leaving kids in cars). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 They have just told us that they will be removing the old shed at the back which actually has a concrete base and hedges around which would be perfect. Oh yes! All sorts of things can be placed on a concrete slab! :) Oh.. and re a soft crate .. they are very hot ..and also easy for pups to rip/chew their way out of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 A dogue on a raw diet is still going to produce a shitload of poop, don't kid yourself (pun intended) :laugh: Can you take the pup to work with you, even for a few hours a day? I did that with my new pup, rather that leave her home alone, and it worked out well. Try not to imagine this pup is going to be the same as your last pup, even dog is different, and just because one dog could hold on for a certain amount of time, doesn't mean another one can. Beg to differ with the raw meaty bones diet poop Minimax, my previous pup did very well with it and his poop was like little pellets and never sloppy :-) I can take my pup to work but he will still be in the soft crate in the back of the car, with all windows and the back open and crate fan and only if the temperature is okay. Will this be better? I can come out more often for his breaks and interaction. I understand what you mean about the pups being different, I think it makes it easier for me to have the protocols that worked before so I know where to start. Sloppy and quantity are different things! What breed was your previous dog? Both my dogs are fed a raw diet so I'm well aware of the output ;) However, I have pugs so the output is MUCH less than a DdB lol I can't see how being in a car is any different to being in a crate in a house, temperature being the only thing as cars can be like ovens (although there is probably a law against it, like leaving kids in cars). My previous pup was a Dogue de Bordeaux too. The only difference with keeping him in the car is that my carspace is directly in front of my workspace and I can actually see him there and he will have more frequent breaks & play time. Of course it will all depend on the weather too, it's not illegal if you're pet is not in danger, and in mild temperatures he won't be with the shade and everything being open and crate coolling but anything over 25 outside will not be comfortable. With summer coming a very well insulated house is a cooler option. Will just have to figure out the best possible configuration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Dogues are highly susceptible to heat stress. I'd not be keeping the pup in the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 The kitchen area is the only place where I can physically set a run up that will be attached to the crate. As mentioned before I will be going home for breaks more often now, about every 2-3 hour breaks. Pup will be fed a raw meaty diet which doesn't produce as much poop thank goodness. I looked back at my previous boy's journal and he was able to hold it inside the house for 4 hours min voluntarily when housetraining at about 9.5 weeks of age. This is where I was basing my timing from, the crating for that duration is the "new" bit which is what I'm working on. <br style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: verdana, tahoma, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(238, 242, 247);"><br style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: verdana, tahoma, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(238, 242, 247);">I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear but this is a temporary arrangement for a max of 8 weeks from when the pup arrives. We have had 2 houses fall through in the negotiating stage and are in the continuous process of looking and braving open houses. We were already looking for a house before we had the opportunity of getting a puppy. My puppy will eventually be outdoors as my previous dog was when I'm not home but not yet. We have dog proofed the yard as much as we can from our side but we are still getting strays in the yard. My housemate and I have spoken to our neighbours about it but I think it has fallen on deaf ears. Will the breeder keep pup until you are all set? It would be such a lovely thing to start off , securely , in more ways than one ! :) Can you visit pup if breeders keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I like the idea of segregating him in a kitchen or bathroom area? at least he has room to move and you can set up a toilet corner. Have you any idea how much wee and poo a giant breed pup can produce - it would stink like a latrine in no time. :laugh: I'm not even thinking size here oops! Surely that's what a crate inside a house will smell like after a few hours too no doubt. The kitchen area is the only place where I can physically set a run up that will be attached to the crate. As mentioned before I will be going home for breaks more often now, about every 2-3 hour breaks. Pup will be fed a raw meaty diet which doesn't produce as much poop thank goodness. I looked back at my previous boy's journal and he was able to hold it inside the house for 4 hours min voluntarily when housetraining at about 9.5 weeks of age. This is where I was basing my timing from, the crating for that duration is the "new" bit which is what I'm working on. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear but this is a temporary arrangement for a max of 8 weeks from when the pup arrives. We have had 2 houses fall through in the negotiating stage and are in the continuous process of looking and braving open houses. We were already looking for a house before we had the opportunity of getting a puppy. My puppy will eventually be outdoors as my previous dog was when I'm not home but not yet. We have dog proofed the yard as much as we can from our side but we are still getting strays in the yard. My housemate and I have spoken to our neighbours about it but I think it has fallen on deaf ears. Thank you for your practical advise and I am doing my best to apply what is within my control and what is best for the temporary situation and the pup. Kitchen area with a run temporarily sounds good to me! At least you'll know he can be safe, will have space to move around and a toilet corner. I don't have experience with large breeds but it sounds like you're trying your best, so We don't know what your backyard is like, you know it better then us so if you think inside is best for now then I definitely believe you :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 If you buy a free standing dog run to go on the concrete slab (if the shed is removed) you can always sell it again if you don't need it at the new place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 They have just told us that they will be removing the old shed at the back which actually has a concrete base and hedges around which would be perfect. Oh yes! All sorts of things can be placed on a concrete slab! :) Oh.. and re a soft crate .. they are very hot ..and also easy for pups to rip/chew their way out of Keeping all fingers crossed for the shed removal! In the meantime, we'll be measuring up the kitchen "area" and the crate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aso Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 The kitchen area is the only place where I can physically set a run up that will be attached to the crate. As mentioned before I will be going home for breaks more often now, about every 2-3 hour breaks. Pup will be fed a raw meaty diet which doesn't produce as much poop thank goodness. I looked back at my previous boy's journal and he was able to hold it inside the house for 4 hours min voluntarily when housetraining at about 9.5 weeks of age. This is where I was basing my timing from, the crating for that duration is the "new" bit which is what I'm working on. <br style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: verdana, tahoma, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(238, 242, 247);"><br style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: verdana, tahoma, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(238, 242, 247);">I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear but this is a temporary arrangement for a max of 8 weeks from when the pup arrives. We have had 2 houses fall through in the negotiating stage and are in the continuous process of looking and braving open houses. We were already looking for a house before we had the opportunity of getting a puppy. My puppy will eventually be outdoors as my previous dog was when I'm not home but not yet. We have dog proofed the yard as much as we can from our side but we are still getting strays in the yard. My housemate and I have spoken to our neighbours about it but I think it has fallen on deaf ears. Will the breeder keep pup until you are all set? It would be such a lovely thing to start off , securely , in more ways than one ! :) Can you visit pup if breeders keep him? I haven't ask Persephone, she's about an hour away from me. I really want to be able to socialise and train him as much as possible as young as possible. We really want to make sure that our pup is desensitized & socialised as much as possible so that he'll be fine in any situations that we can think of, and our breeder doesn't have the time for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Animal House Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You don't need permission from your landlord for anything that isn't permanent, a dog run is not permanent. Save yourself the stress (and your pups stress) and buy a run, it is always handy to have a secure run for when you move anyway. No way should a pup be crated all day (even with breaks) it's cruel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) But it doesn't sound like you have the time to train/socialise him either. 6 - 16 weeks is a critical period in a puppy's development. Confining him for most of the day is asking too much of a puppy. And confining him from 8 weeks - 16 weeks will definitely create behavioural problems down the track. Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. Edited November 13, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 But it doesn't sound like you have the time to train/socialise him either. 6 - 16 weeks is a critical period in a puppy's development. Confining him from 8 weeks - 16 weeks will create behavioural problems down the track. Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. Have you not read what Aso is saying? They are playing pre work and coming home for breaks. IF they manage a run or a sectioned off room with a crate attached and come home during work hours that is far more socialisation time then any full time worker I know. Please lets stick with the initial problem of where to put him and not make her feel like a terrible owner for having to go to work and raise a puppy like most normal people do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) But it doesn't sound like you have the time to train/socialise him either. 6 - 16 weeks is a critical period in a puppy's development. Confining him from 8 weeks - 16 weeks will create behavioural problems down the track. Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. Have you not read what Aso is saying? They are playing pre work and coming home for breaks. IF they manage a run or a sectioned off room with a crate attached and come home during work hours that is far more socialisation time then any full time worker I know. Please lets stick with the initial problem of where to put him and not make her feel like a terrible owner for having to go to work and raise a puppy like most normal people do! I think you are reading too much into what I'm saying. Edited November 14, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You accused someone of possibly not having enough time to train/socialise their pup based on what information I don't know but I find it offensive and I would be offended if I was waiting for my new baby with excitement and people were telling me things like this. Way to put a downer on the situation. I think stick with the housing situation for the time being, it sounds like they have plenty of time to socialise train their pup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) You accused someone of possibly not having enough time to train/socialise their pup based on what information I don't know but I find it offensive and I would be offended if I was waiting for my new baby with excitement and people were telling me things like this. Way to put a downer on the situation. I think stick with the housing situation for the time being, it sounds like they have plenty of time to socialise train their pup I didn't accuse anyone of anything, and I'm insulted that you think my comment was intended to be offensive. Edited November 14, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Maybe you could take him to doggie day care while you're at work ?? Then he will be around other dogs and people. Personally, I would buy a run and have the neighbour's dogs/fences/yard situation sorted out as soon as possible. No way I'd take any pup of mine to a doggie day care centre. I'd rather crate it all day! The OP is reading all this and thinking it all through and hopefully comes up with a solution that suits them andthe puppy's best interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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