WreckitWhippet Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'm doubtfull that there are many "purebred" or "pedigree" dogs that are in pounds and go unclaimed by their owners. I get a phone call from my local each time there is a "staffy" in there that goes unclaimed. Each time I go down there, it turns out to be the "generic brindle pound mutt" aka " the Staffy", which is typical of pounds all over the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baileys mum Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) So glad your Nana got her little dog back :) ...The same thing happened to us years ago on New years eve. Our little Aussie terrier x escaped our back yard in fear, because some of the neighbours where letting off fire works. When we got home from a News years party we where devestated when she wasn't in the back yard & looked for her all that night & whole of the next day, putting up posters everywhere too. Unfortunately being New years day & a public holiday, the pound wasn't opened till the next day, so it was a very anxious wait till the next day. Well we went down 1st thing in the morning (the pound was full to the max ) & what a relief that she was there, & we didn't care about paying the release fee, just relieved to have her back. :) Looking back it was probably our fault, as we should have contained her inside the house being New years Eve, or brought her with us...these days we never go out on New years Eve , we stay home with the dogs, & people can come & celebrate with us. :) I would be totally devestated if a puppy I had bred ended up in the pound, & I know I can speak for alot of breeders, that they would rather take the dog back & rehome it themselves, if the owner couldn't keep it anymore, rather than it end up in the pound. I have told all my owners this, & written it into my puppy contract of sale, so I just have to trust my puppy owners that they would do the right thing, if for any reason they could no longer keep the dog. ETA: when we picked her up, they had on her form whereabouts she was picked up from, which was about 5 km's from home...poor thing must have been terrifies I don't remember if the staff where grumpy or not, just remembered that we where so relieved & happy to get her back. :) Edited November 12, 2012 by Baileys mum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeopener Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 And the staff acted like they didn't give a damn, almost like they are immune to it. I was astounded by how many pedigree dogs were there. They definitely outnumbered the bitza's. You mean pure breds? Or were they all surrendered with pedigree papers? Purebreds have to come from somewhere to start with which is generally a registered breeder with pappered pedigree stock that are then bred on. I worked in rescue & it was not unusual to ph a reg breeder to be told sorry but they don't have the room to take dog back or time to help either often. Best way IMHO to judge a breeder is not on who they do or don't reg with but whether they will always take back ANY animal they breed NO questions asked & then on the daily lifestyle all their dogs live(not just the house dogs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozzie Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 People make me mad at the best of times, I'd probably go nuts and start taking my frustrations out on every person I saw with a shotgun. What's wrong with people with shotguns??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 People make me mad at the best of times, I'd probably go nuts and start taking my frustrations out on every person I saw with a shotgun. What's wrong with people with shotguns??? :rofl: :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 And the staff acted like they didn't give a damn, almost like they are immune to it. I was astounded by how many pedigree dogs were there. They definitely outnumbered the bitza's. You mean pure breds? Or were they all surrendered with pedigree papers? Purebreds have to come from somewhere to start with which is generally a registered breeder with pappered pedigree stock that are then bred on. I worked in rescue & it was not unusual to ph a reg breeder to be told sorry but they don't have the room to take dog back or time to help either often. Best way IMHO to judge a breeder is not on who they do or don't reg with but whether they will always take back ANY animal they breed NO questions asked & then on the daily lifestyle all their dogs live(not just the house dogs). Of course teensy issues like number of permitted dogs, litters on the ground or integrating an adult dog into an existing pack are no nevermind. Get real. Most breeders can't just take on any dog any time. What they do is work TOGETHER to help out dogs in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeopener Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Then they should not breed IMHO you should only breed what you can tak responsibility for keeping homed. I have same views on horse breeders n believe it or not there are many who do live by this. I have been known to even pay the airfare n the dog is still here now as she was not suitable to rehome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeopener Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Anyway not here to argue just staing my opinions based on my life exsperiances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Then they should not breed IMHO you should only breed what you can tak responsibility for keeping homed. I have same views on horse breeders n believe it or not there are many who do live by this. I have been known to even pay the airfare n the dog is still here now as she was not suitable to rehome. So at any time, a breeder should have to take back all dogs bred, regardless of age, sexual status, vaccination status and their own lives. I love a dreamer. You don't just toss the dog in the back yard and hope for the best with your other dogs. How many horse breeders live in the burbs and have to get permits for every single extra dog they have? The issue isn't whether the dog goes back to its breeder but whether that breeder can step up for the dog in other ways. How many rescuers could take back any dog they'd rehomed at any time on zero notice?? Edited November 12, 2012 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Then they should not breed IMHO you should only breed what you can tak responsibility for keeping homed. I have same views on horse breeders n believe it or not there are many who do live by this. I have been known to even pay the airfare n the dog is still here now as she was not suitable to rehome. So at any time, a breeder should have to take back all dogs bred, regardless of age, sexual status, vaccination status and their own lives. I love a dreamer. You don't just toss the dog in the back yard and hope for the best with your other dogs. How many horse breeders live in the burbs and have to get permits for every single extra dog they have? The issue isn't whether the dog goes back to its breeder but whether that breeder can step up for the dog in other ways. How many rescuers could take back any dog they'd rehomed at any time on zero notice?? When I adopted my sweet Cougar, Staffy Rescue said if I ever wanted to give her up, I had to give her back to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Then they should not breed IMHO you should only breed what you can tak responsibility for keeping homed. I have same views on horse breeders n believe it or not there are many who do live by this. I have been known to even pay the airfare n the dog is still here now as she was not suitable to rehome. rubbish. I have cats as well and there is no way I would take back a couple of dogs that I bred cause they are not cat safe. I'm not about to put my cats at risk. Suppose you would say I should have only sold the pups to people who also own cats. This is not to say I wouldn't help in every way possible bar bringing them into my home. Life is not so black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 And the staff acted like they didn't give a damn, almost like they are immune to it. I was astounded by how many pedigree dogs were there. They definitely outnumbered the bitza's. You mean pure breds? Or were they all surrendered with pedigree papers? Whats with the nit picking? They were purebred dogs, how would I know what they were surrended with. I'm just a member of the public making an observation. It's what some people live for, sadly, Michelleva. Some years ago, I worked in a pound and, again sadly, I understand what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Then they should not breed IMHO you should only breed what you can tak responsibility for keeping homed. I have same views on horse breeders n believe it or not there are many who do live by this. I have been known to even pay the airfare n the dog is still here now as she was not suitable to rehome. So at any time, a breeder should have to take back all dogs bred, regardless of age, sexual status, vaccination status and their own lives. I love a dreamer. You don't just toss the dog in the back yard and hope for the best with your other dogs. How many horse breeders live in the burbs and have to get permits for every single extra dog they have? The issue isn't whether the dog goes back to its breeder but whether that breeder can step up for the dog in other ways. How many rescuers could take back any dog they'd rehomed at any time on zero notice?? Pfftt, what would you know, it's really easy Throw your doors open and damn the consequences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Actually all of the rescue's i have worked with have taken dogs back with zero warning, its what makes them a good rescue, if they don't have foster space the dog goes into a kennel till it does, and foots the bill. Why can't a breeder do the same for their own if they won't have them at home? It is black and white, clear up your own mess :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) So say breeders churned out 2 litters a year to two different bitches. Each of those bitches had an average of 8 pups. Say something happened and two owners who took a up from each litter says they can't keep the pups anymore. This dog is raised away from your pack in a totally different way, it may not have the socialisation or training. So you have to provide a separate yard for each dog. Say you breed for 10 years...20 dogs on your property that are most likely desexed and of no use to a breeder/shower, just sitting in your yard. Not to mention any dogs you keep to breed and show that are your own. It's not realistic and if that's the prerequisite to being a responsible breeder then there's going to be a huge shortage of dogs. Edited November 12, 2012 by mixeduppup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Unlike now when we have far too many dogs :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Unlike now when we have far too many dogs :D So make a world where only the quick can get a dog because of breeders not having enough room or time to take in every dog their puppy buyers ditch? That's a tiny gene pool and a lot of disadvantaged people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 oh please :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Actually all of the rescue's i have worked with have taken dogs back with zero warning, its what makes them a good rescue, if they don't have foster space the dog goes into a kennel till it does, and foots the bill. Why can't a breeder do the same for their own if they won't have them at home? It is black and white, clear up your own mess :) Actually breeders tend to work a bit more cooperatively. They certainly don't regard helping out dogs as "clearing up mess". Responsibly bred and homed dogs don't tend to be viewed that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 oh please :laugh: If you're making a funny then oops...but if you're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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