Rebanne Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I haven't seen anything else re this topic but I found it very interesting reading particularly Item 31 put up by the French Bulldog Club of Vic. The Role Of Dogzonline in the Australain show ring. Handlers should be cropped out of online profiles DOGS Victoria should lobby and address this issue. Resolution: This is an issue that the ANKC could possibly address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 My response to it people pay for those profiles, if they want people in them they can. A couple of my dogs photo's have people in then and why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelsquest Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Yeah, I don't see what their issue is to be honest. On DOL profiles you can see the dogs registered names, its owner, breeder, recent wins if they are in point score, which judges have put them up etc etc etc. So why does it matter if handlers are in photos . Also in that same article, item 1 (I think) was about how to get more clubs to offer neuter shows in Vic, hopefully more shows will start to offer it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patterdale Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I totally agree with this idea! I think all people should be cut out of Dogzonline profiles. There is far too much face judging going on - and we in NZ have recenty had a bout of judges that basically had already made a decision before their plane touched down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelsquest Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I totally agree with this idea! I think all people should be cut out of Dogzonline profiles. There is far too much face judging going on - and we in NZ have recenty had a bout of judges that basically had already made a decision before their plane touched down. Where do you stop? Next people can't post photos of their dogs on Facebook? Judges can't have Facebook pages? Exhibitors can't have their own websites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggy Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 What about the full page ads in Dog news and other similar publications that all judges see. How can you stop people's photos in those considering they are paying a fortune for their ad. Yes I certainly believe there is a lot of face judging but have learnt to live with it as apart of dog showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Perhaps they should look at blind folds for all judges and banning them from FB, websites etc LOL that would be much easier, given there's so few of them ETA : I've got a few judge friends on my facebook and apart from one, they given me squat over the years , so the pics of me and the dogs are working well :laugh: Edited November 10, 2012 by Pav Lova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 As the ANKC has absolutely no control over dogzonline which is a private business I don't see how they can dictate what is shown or not shown on the website. It is no different to paying for an advert in the canine association magazine. Should all people be cropped out of those ads as well? Not even sure why the VCA would consider sending this to the ANKC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I totally agree with this idea! I think all people should be cut out of Dogzonline profiles. There is far too much face judging going on - and we in NZ have recenty had a bout of judges that basically had already made a decision before their plane touched down. And you can prove this allegation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I totally agree with this idea! I think all people should be cut out of Dogzonline profiles. There is far too much face judging going on - and we in NZ have recenty had a bout of judges that basically had already made a decision before their plane touched down. I take it you weren't one of the winners then ? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I haven't seen anything else re this topic but I found it very interesting reading particularly Item 31 put up by the French Bulldog Club of Vic. The Role Of Dogzonline in the Australain show ring. Handlers should be cropped out of online profiles DOGS Victoria should lobby and address this issue. Resolution: This is an issue that the ANKC could possibly address. Its nothing to do with Dogs Vic. If the French Bulldog club have an issue with this they should raise it with Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolving Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 When I take photos of dogs at shows I crop the people out of the photos. Or really mostly just focus on the dog in the first place so there is not much to crop. I don't really care for photos with people in them and don't do it unless I am taking photos of friends kids showing dogs and photos of dogs with the judges and group wins. But each to their own I suppose and if people want themselves in their photos they are using for publicity then they can do what they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravensmyst00 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 In the end it comes down to the morals and ethics of the judges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 My OH is in one photo, largely because the judge's hand also is and I wanted that much of the picture in because it shows along with her tail placement that she's not skitzy or freaky, which is an issue for our breed. Profile here: http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=34716 I'm in another moving one for one of my males, and the picture of the dog only makes sense with the human in it as well. Profile here: http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=53877 I defy anyone to recognise me from this last profile, especially as that ugly skirt went to Vinnies a while ago http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=22752 People must really think that judges are fickle and dopey. If that were the case, why would we pay our money weekend after weekend to get their opinions? Yes some corrupt and "safe" stuff does go on but snipping out pictures of handlers won't stop that. In some ways, it will advantage those who are already well known in dog world and disadvantage those that are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Personally I think it's a load of BS, one of my dogs does his fair share of winning, he wins under judges from all around the country. Pictures of me handling are the one's that are splashed about. Hand him over to another person and he wins just as much... go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisart Dobes Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Its never going to change if a judge judges the dogs they will continue to do so - if a judge puts up for favors they will continue to do so - the only way you can not be affected by it is to not give those 'facey' judges an entry. If I know who will win regardless of what they take in the ring then I don't waste my time, energy or money anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Its never going to change if a judge judges the dogs they will continue to do so - if a judge puts up for favors they will continue to do so - the only way you can not be affected by it is to not give those 'facey' judges an entry. If I know who will win regardless of what they take in the ring then I don't waste my time, energy or money anymore. to this and Pav Lova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faytiges Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 This has been going on for years and years, Now with facebook and everything else... photos, judges commenting on the f/b page how good the win was, this is also o/s judges, this is just now how it is. To crop the handler out is silly, they appear on the front of magazines.......they are so known to all, either here or overseas.... just the way now. We just have to trust that the Judge will judge our dogs on their merit. Thats all we can hope or ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patterdale Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I totally agree with this idea! I think all people should be cut out of Dogzonline profiles. There is far too much face judging going on - and we in NZ have recenty had a bout of judges that basically had already made a decision before their plane touched down. And you can prove this allegation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patterdale Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Prove no - however to judge dogs you actually need to look at the dogs not at the handlers' faces ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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