Lollipup Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 OP, your original question was answered, and then people took the time to give you a lot of important information and advice for your friend. Could you just show your friend this thread? Surely seeing all these experienced people offer the same advice to choose another breeder can't just be ignored? If I were the one buying this pup and saw all this advice, I would be doing more research at the very least. The buyers of these pups are likely in for a lot of heart ache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 biglib.. can you let us know what your vet says ? It's an interesting question, as a question ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 This is the World Small Animal Veterinary Association Guidelines on vaccination (on which the Australian Veterinary Association's vaccination policies are based): http://www.wsava.org/PDF/Misc/VaccinationGuidelines2010.pdf Go to the appendices and read the 'precautions' section for each of the 'core' vaccines, which lists the age before which vaccinations should not be given to puppies. Note that as the core vaccines are not available separately, but as a 'C-3', while the guidelines may specify not before 4 weeks for distemper, they specify not before 5 weeks for parvo, so the vaccine should not be given before 5 weeks of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elise+Hudson Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 espinay - That is what I have always been taught as well, and we are updated regularly with any new information regarding vaccination protocols. We will not vaccinate a pup with anything but a parvac before 5 weeks. And a lot of effort goes into educating people if we need to use the parvac, we only do that with a high risk of pups contracting parvo virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 The vet may be involved in the breeding. Some are & mongrel puppy farming too. There are regular ads for my breed by a vet with no papers etc. You can't stop your friend doing anything, you can only advise. So if your friend ignores your advice to buy from this person you can only say the puppy is better off not having a vaccine so young, its useless & maybe damaging. Hopeless case really. If they do take the pup a vet check, vaccine & isolation are the best that can be done. It may not have parvo or anything worse than worms or fleas, hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglib Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok.. vet got back to me,this is what he told me, his receptionist was wrong however... "8 weeks is a code and not a fineable offence" registered breeders can be reported. vaccinations under 6 weeks " yes, can be dangerous but mainly due to inneffectiveness, can be increased risk of reaction to vaccine because of age" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok.. vet got back to me,this is what he told me, his receptionist was wrong however... "8 weeks is a code and not a fineable offence" registered breeders can be reported. vaccinations under 6 weeks " yes, can be dangerous but mainly due to inneffectiveness, can be increased risk of reaction to vaccine because of age" So does that help you make the correct decision about your puppy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglib Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 The vet may be involved in the breeding. Some are & mongrel puppy farming too. There are regular ads for my breed by a vet with no papers etc. You can't stop your friend doing anything, you can only advise. So if your friend ignores your advice to buy from this person you can only say the puppy is better off not having a vaccine so young, its useless & maybe damaging. Hopeless case really. If they do take the pup a vet check, vaccine & isolation are the best that can be done. It may not have parvo or anything worse than worms or fleas, hopefully. Have given my friend the link so she can read all the above. thnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I think the thing to ask yourself is if the breeder can be unethical on this important thing what else might they be unethical on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglib Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok.. vet got back to me,this is what he told me, his receptionist was wrong however... "8 weeks is a code and not a fineable offence" registered breeders can be reported. vaccinations under 6 weeks " yes, can be dangerous but mainly due to inneffectiveness, can be increased risk of reaction to vaccine because of age" So does that help you make the correct decision about your puppy? Not my puppy, to many ppl are quick to jump to conclusions and make judgement, this doesnt bother me.. however many novices needing advice would be put off from asking for help .. once again thanks to those who helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Ok.. vet got back to me,this is what he told me, his receptionist was wrong however... "8 weeks is a code and not a fineable offence" registered breeders can be reported. vaccinations under 6 weeks " yes, can be dangerous but mainly due to inneffectiveness, can be increased risk of reaction to vaccine because of age" So does that help you make the correct decision about your puppy? Not my puppy, to many ppl are quick to jump to conclusions and make judgement, this doesnt bother me.. however many novices needing advice would be put off from asking for help .. once again thanks to those who helped. *eye roll* Whoevers puppy it is, does the correct information given by the vet,a nd the info given by everyone here, help you to inform your friend to make the correct decision? Edited November 6, 2012 by minimax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok.. vet got back to me,this is what he told me, his receptionist was wrong however... "8 weeks is a code and not a fineable offence" registered breeders can be reported. vaccinations under 6 weeks " yes, can be dangerous but mainly due to inneffectiveness, can be increased risk of reaction to vaccine because of age" So does that help you make the correct decision about your puppy? Not my puppy, to many ppl are quick to jump to conclusions and make judgement, this doesnt bother me.. however many novices needing advice would be put off from asking for help .. once again thanks to those who helped. Perhaps you might like to consider the advantages in having your friend put in a bit of effort this side of getting the puppy. After all, he or she will be the one having to do it once the pup arrives. Given that little of the advice given is going to be acted upon, I hope things turn out for your friend. I sincerely hope that this pup gets the advantage of careful socialisation and ongoing training - it's going to need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok.. vet got back to me,this is what he told me, his receptionist was wrong however... "8 weeks is a code and not a fineable offence" registered breeders can be reported. vaccinations under 6 weeks " yes, can be dangerous but mainly due to inneffectiveness, can be increased risk of reaction to vaccine because of age" State Codes of Practice ARE enforceable. Many people are under the false impression that State CoP are guidelines only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok.. vet got back to me,this is what he told me, his receptionist was wrong however... "8 weeks is a code and not a fineable offence" registered breeders can be reported. vaccinations under 6 weeks " yes, can be dangerous but mainly due to inneffectiveness, can be increased risk of reaction to vaccine because of age" So does that help you make the correct decision about your puppy? Not my puppy, to many ppl are quick to jump to conclusions and make judgement, this doesnt bother me.. however many novices needing advice would be put off from asking for help .. once again thanks to those who helped. Indeed. Please ignore the rude people and take the advice from those trying to help. There is no need for nastiness when educating as it will only backfire. I hope you friend gets the info they need and makes the best decision :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Indeed. Please ignore the rude people and take the advice from those trying to help. There is no need for nastiness when educating as it will only backfire. I hope you friend gets the info they need and makes the best decision :D Where's the nastiness? The best interests of that pup would see it vaccinated at 6 weeks and rehomed with a microchip at 8 weeks. It really is that simple. Any one rehoming pups younger is NOT doing right BY THE ANIMAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Indeed. Please ignore the rude people and take the advice from those trying to help. There is no need for nastiness when educating as it will only backfire. I hope you friend gets the info they need and makes the best decision :D Where's the nastiness? The best interests of that pup would see it vaccinated at 6 weeks and rehomed with a microchip at 8 weeks. It really is that simple. Any one rehoming pups younger is NOT doing right BY THE ANIMAL. I think eye rolling is a bit uncalled for in this situation no? I'd class that as quite nasty and uncalled for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Indeed. Please ignore the rude people and take the advice from those trying to help. There is no need for nastiness when educating as it will only backfire. I hope you friend gets the info they need and makes the best decision :D Where's the nastiness? The best interests of that pup would see it vaccinated at 6 weeks and rehomed with a microchip at 8 weeks. It really is that simple. Any one rehoming pups younger is NOT doing right BY THE ANIMAL. I think eye rolling is a bit uncalled for in this situation no? I'd class that as quite nasty and uncalled for. Don't worry, I can't breathe without donatella calling me nasty I'd just taken her off ignore thinking she'd probably gotten over herself by now, but apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Yep it is enforceable. I really hope your friend thinks twice, there are just so many alarm bells going off for me on this one. I would hate for it to end in heartbreak. Edited November 7, 2012 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Usually puppies are only vaccinated early with parvac which is a killed vaccine and its usually done if the mother is considered not immune or if there is increased risk of exposure due to Parvo on the property etc - this is a killed vaccine and does take about 10 days to give immunity but modern live vaccines live offer immunity within a couple of days. I would assume if the vet were in any way ethical they would consider this breeder's circumstances and advise the breeder on what is best. Vaccinating too early at 3 weeks isnt that much different to vaccinating at 6 weeks if the maternal antibodies are active. In puppy farms breeders often vaccinate their puppies at 3 weeks with killed vaccine as a precaution so does rescue who have taken in pregnant mums without knowing her immunity status. The vet is wrong - the provision for the sale of puppies in NSW is enforceable it is a law and not a guideline and the fact that they dont know that is a bit scary because people rely on their vets to advise them. As far as the pup having papers Id be willing to bet that these are not Dogs NSW registered pedigree papers because allowing a pup to go home at 6 weeks is also a breach of the code of conduct and its a basic that's pretty much in your face from day one of applying for a registered prefix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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