palski Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 My back neighbours have recently got an approx 6wk old gsd pup (he is A LOT smaller than my now 4yr old gsd - he was 8wks from a Breeder). I work from home and have noticed that unfortunately his owners are rarely home to socialise and look after this puppy. I woke up one morning to find that the pup had gotten through the back fence and was running around with our boy. Luckily he didn’t hurt himself and our gsd is friendly! When the owner got my note and picked him up, I assured him that my partner would look at our side of the fence and fix any loose panels and that it didn’t bother us that he had got through and that we were just happy he was safe. Anyhow, the next day I saw yellow wire laced up to their side of the fence and an electric collar on the pup. It’s one of those systems where it beeps when the dog is too close and then it constantly zaps when he’s at the perimeter. As you can imagine, the pup is still always at the fence just wanting attention. Doesn’t even care that he’s getting a constant electric pulse through him. I don't go near the fence, yet he's still there. I’ve now been sneaky enough to put my hand in between the fence panels to see how strong the pulse is on the collar. It was so strong that I just went ahead and took the collar off leaving it just near their side of the fence hoping the batteries would just fry. Naughty! I just didn't care at that point lol. Its again back on him. My partner thinks I should just mind my own business and it’s their dog and they can raise it the way they want. It’s a frustrating situation! Please give me your feedback, I would like some reassurance on what to do and if in fact I should just "butt out of it" P.S Just so you know my stance- I'm not against electric collars with the proper training and in my opinion the right age of the pup/dog. I feel in this situation the pup is too young and is getting no training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 report them to the council and the RSPCA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 OMG that poor puppy, I would throw that damn collar in the bin. It's not made for babies, I agree with Rebanne call the RSPCA and the council, take photos the collar is on the pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palski Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 Funny you say that because I did contact RSPCA and they emailed me a fact sheet to put in my neighbours letter box about how they do not support the use of electric collars in QLD. That was all they said to do so I'm not sure what would be the next step with them. Umm and the council... Would they do anything as they are actually legal here in QLD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Anyhow, the next day I saw yellow wire laced up to their side of the fence and an electric collar on the pup. It’s one of those systems where it beeps when the dog is too close and then it constantly zaps when he’s at the perimeter. As you can imagine, the pup is still always at the fence just wanting attention. Doesn’t even care that he’s getting a constant electric pulse through him. I don't go near the fence, So ..the pup doesn't get thru the fence, but can approach it?What I've bolded may not be happening. Sounds fine to me. 6 weeks is too young ..but they have it now..so whingeing won't help.IMO those collars may not be ideal for baby pups ..but I have not much experience. I’ve now been sneaky enough to put my hand in between the fence panels to see how strong the pulse is on the collar. It was so strong that I just went ahead and took the collar off leaving it just near their side of the fence hoping the batteries would just fry. Naughty! I just didn't care at that point lol. Its again back on him. ..and that is OK? :( If puppy was distressed /uncomfortable/crying ..trying to escape the collar - then I may have considered it ..but probably, if pup was obviously so distressed, I would have phoned someone ..like RSPCA for advice. Pup will of course stay near the fence..you talk to it, and have handled it ..and illegally removed its collar. I am just glad pup didn't escape and get into trouble while the collar was off. Maybe, to stop pup doing things to warrant this action from owners ..which actually shows they care a lot about what happens perhaps you could put up a barrier/second fence on your side ? A visual barrier preferably ..so there is NO chance pup will get thru ..or get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 yes, take photos of pup/collar/fence before you contact the RSPCA ..so then they actually have proof..and not just a 'neighbour thing' .... it is frustrating ..but to avoid having ongoing neighbour probs ..perhaps the 'official' route may be best ..with lots of proof and a calm head .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palski Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 Like I said with my first post I don't go near the fence but this ONE TIME curiosity got the better of me and I put my hand through to see if it was a constant pulse. It was and I didn't think- I just took it off him. I like the idea about the visual barrier but its not just my back fence that I'm concerned about. Their neighbours have two dogs where I can see the pup likes to also sit and watch them too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Their neighbours have two dogs where I can see the pup likes to also sit and watch them too.. out with the spy camera ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palski Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 yess lol! I'm concerned, really can't help but have a quick look from my window :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palski Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 Funny you say that because I did contact RSPCA and they emailed me a fact sheet to put in my neighbours letter box about how they do not support the use of electric collars in QLD. That was all they said to do so I'm not sure what would be the next step with them. Umm and the council... Would they do anything as they are actually legal here in QLD? Soo I contacted RSPCA again about the collar and yeh they just said its great I put the fact sheet in their letter box but because its legal in QLD there is nothing they can do. I cannot honestly determine if there are physical injuries from the collar- hard to see. Same with council. As there is a actual fence around the border, electric fences are not illegal no matter the age of the pup. I will do what I can, I'll put up a visual barrier. Really like that idea, thanks persephone. Its hard because even with the barrier I will still 'know' he's out there- It's harder for me lol! This is so bummed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flame ryder Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I use one of these fence systems with my dogs. Used correctly they are excellent. I can't see why they should be banned in QLD. However they should not be used on such a young puppy. Dogs should be at least 3 months old and training for the dog needs to be done for 2 or 3 days prior to turning the collar on properly. These collars come with a training mode...the collar wont shock in the training mode but will make all the beeps and buzzes to get the dog used to wearing it and hearing the different buzzing sounds. Could be that they have just set it to the training mode? Also there should be a visual barrier that the dog can see, most systems come with yellow flags, but we used yellow marking paint. This is the no go zone for our dogs and they wont pass it. Our boxer recently developed a fascination for our sheep, we used the elec fence to keep him away from the sheep paddock...it is a godsend otherwise there would be injured sheep, un-happy owners and a guilty dog, who may have otherwise been tied up forevermore. If someone came in and removed the collars I would go ballistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tralee Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Maybe some direct personal contact rather than all the subterfuge. The dogs/pups interest is at stake. And who knows, since you have a common interest, you may find some new friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Puppy must be registered with the local council, maybe start with checking on that. And it has to be microchipped - tho not if it's less than 8 weeks old. I can't find minimum age for rehoming that a breeder must follow - but if it was an ANKC breeder - there are rules. Did you mention the puppy age to the RSPCA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palski Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share Posted November 5, 2012 yup I did tell the RSPCA and council about the pup's age. I'm in agreement that they do works wonders with the right training and I personally think from 4mths old depending on the puppy. Yeh shouldn't have taken it off, a quick reaction when I felt the pulse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flame ryder Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 yeah after shutting down my computer last night I was thinking and I reckon it is actually 6 months. If I could actually be bothered to dig out my instructions that came with the fence I could be sure...but I do remember I waited for what seemed like ages until my boxer was old enough. Perhaps they got the fence system second hand and therefor have no instructions on how to use it properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tralee Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yeh shouldn't have taken it off, a quick reaction when I felt the pulse. Disagree! The pup's hardly a few weeks old, and should have had supervised, intermittent training. I would've removed the whole dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog_fan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yeh shouldn't have taken it off, a quick reaction when I felt the pulse. Disagree! The pup's hardly a few weeks old, and should have had supervised, intermittent training. I would've removed the whole dog. And that would be theft. Where do you get the idea you are above the law and can break it in your righteous indignation. What a cheek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Poor little puppy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tralee Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yeh shouldn't have taken it off, a quick reaction when I felt the pulse. Disagree! The pup's hardly a few weeks old, and should have had supervised, intermittent training. I would've removed the whole dog. And that would be theft. Where do you get the idea you are above the law and can break it in your righteous indignation. What a cheek! Not in my value system. Our social responsibility and obligation to protect the weak and defenseless is precisely why the law exists. I don't care if they're mistreating; a puppy, their children, or bashing each others brains out, I am be bound to intervene in some manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yeh shouldn't have taken it off, a quick reaction when I felt the pulse. Disagree! The pup's hardly a few weeks old, and should have had supervised, intermittent training. I would've removed the whole dog. And that would be theft. Where do you get the idea you are above the law and can break it in your righteous indignation. What a cheek! Not in my value system. Our social responsibility and obligation to protect the weak and defenseless is precisely why the law exists. I don't care if they're mistreating; a puppy, their children, or bashing each others brains out, I am be bound to intervene in some manner. I would of intervened in this instance too. I just feel for the poor puppy. Hardly any guidance/attention/training or love by the sounds of it Why bother getting one in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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