Pitbulls Bite Off Teenagers Ear In Savage Attack

[dancinbcs]

Haha you seem to have not had much experience with the world of horses. People do stupid shit and buy horses WAY beyond their skill set ALL THE TIME. Most Horses are contained much easier than dogs though and they don't usually run around biting strangers. Generally it is the owners or their friends who get hurt.

I have had plenty of horse experience including dressage, jumping, riding newly broken horses, taking large numbers of beginners out on mountain trail rides and handling unbroken stallions as well as broken ones while being used for breeding. You do get the odd idiot that thinks they know more than they do and they come to grief but as a general rule most people know their limitations and err on the side of caution whereas with dogs it seems the odds are reversed.

[Luke GSP]

Haha you seem to have not had much experience with the world of horses. People do stupid shit and buy horses WAY beyond their skill set ALL THE TIME. Most Horses are contained much easier than dogs though and they don't usually run around biting strangers. Generally it is the owners or their friends who get hurt.

I have had plenty of horse experience including dressage, jumping, riding newly broken horses, taking large numbers of beginners out on mountain trail rides and handling unbroken stallions as well as broken ones while being used for breeding. You do get the odd idiot that thinks they know more than they do and they come to grief but as a general rule most people know their limitations and err on the side of caution whereas with dogs it seems the odds are reversed.

IMO that's because riding a horse is not a penis extension. There are certain types of dogs that appeal to certain types of people and sadly the bull breeds seem to be the red hot favourite with every ute driving, Winnie blue smoking youngster. Who then go around to most dog parks and revel in their dog trying to dominate every other animal in there to the point that someone has a go at them and they tell you to f*ck off as apparently their dog "is only playing"

I've even had one of them telling me that her "staffy" always got picked on by other dogs who would try and bite her "friendly staffy who just loves playing with other dogs" I then watched as her sweetheart went systematically from one dog to another pinning them to the ground by their necks until the other dog would be taken home or turn round after a good few minutes of harassment and bite her dog which would then start a fight. But obviously, the other dog was to blame as it tried to bite hers first!

Needless to say, she was alone in the dog park very quickly!

Horses are not a statement about how hard you are and hence they probably don't attract the same crowd (lucky for the horses)

[BlackJaq]

No, they attract the Black Beauty loving crowd of teenage girls (and sometimes older women) who are scared of their 500 kg animal and use carrot sticks to poke it to death from the ground or who mercilessly overestimate their own skills and become trainers of 2 year old barrel racers because nobody but themselves can ride those wild stallions. They have a BOND I tells ya. No seriously, you must be moving in the very upper circles of dressage or eventing or whatever to not be meeting those yahoos. Or your boarding stable costs more than they can afford even though they are making amaaaaazin' monies with their training skillz

And if you don't think there are men out there who use horses as a penis extension you have obviously not met the Western crowd. Some of those dudes beat the piss out of their horses and keep them prancing everywhere (and everything has nuts of course) to demonstrate how manly they are by "taming" that wild beast.

The same dicks are attracted to all sorts of different walks of life.

Edited November 1, 2012 by BlackJaq

[Robbi]

Two and a half years ago I decided to adopt a Bull Breed from Canterbury Pound, after following her pound journey in the Canterbury thread and realising if she was going to survive it would mean I would have to be the one to help out.

The wonderful rescue woman who helped me get her over to Adelaide told me she was a Bull Arab type dog with a sweet nature but a whole lot of dog.

Even before she arrived I start researching what to expect as I had no experience with the Bull Breed having only owned and handled Whippets, Kelpies and Borzoi. I found a big swag of information videos done by Bad Rap, an American group that rescue and train (Pit) Bull type dogs, I spoke to Amstaff breeders at dog shows and spoke to other rescued Bull Breed owners.

I am glad I went into it with my eyes open as on an individual level I found Abbie to be more of everything- More unadulterated love, more manic energy, more joy all wrapped in a 35kg wiggle bum. Also she was more leash reactive, more dog selective and needed to have her focus kept on good behaviour rather than not so good behaviour.

It has been a wild ride but I have never, ever regretted my descision to add a Bull Breed to my family but if she had been left unsocialised, untrained and kept on a chain she could have turned into a very different type of dog, although I strongly believe any dog would.

Responsible dog ownership is the key to preventing dog attacks....

[Dame Aussie]

Great post Robbi, you're completely correct. And Abbi is very lucky to have you :)

Edited November 1, 2012 by Aussie3

[Luke GSP]

Two and a half years ago I decided to adopt a Bull Breed from Canterbury Pound, after following her pound journey in the Canterbury thread and realising if she was going to survive it would mean I would have to be the one to help out.

The wonderful rescue woman who helped me get her over to Adelaide told me she was a Bull Arab type dog with a sweet nature but a whole lot of dog.

Even before she arrived I start researching what to expect as I had no experience with the Bull Breed having only owned and handled Whippets, Kelpies and Borzoi. I found a big swag of information videos done by Bad Rap, an American group that rescue and train (Pit) Bull type dogs, I spoke to Amstaff breeders at dog shows and spoke to other rescued Bull Breed owners.

I am glad I went into it with my eyes open as on an individual level I found Abbie to be more of everything- More unadulterated love, more manic energy, more joy all wrapped in a 35kg wiggle bum. Also she was more leash reactive, more dog selective and needed to have her focus kept on good behaviour rather than not so good behaviour.

It has been a wild ride but I have never, ever regretted my descision to add a Bull Breed to my family but if she had been left unsocialised, untrained and kept on a chain she could have turned into a very different type of dog, although I strongly believe any dog would.

Responsible dog ownership is the key to preventing dog attacks....

100% ;-)

[asal]

No, they attract the Black Beauty loving crowd of teenage girls (and sometimes older women) who are scared of their 500 kg animal and use carrot sticks to poke it to death from the ground or who mercilessly overestimate their own skills and become trainers of 2 year old barrel racers because nobody but themselves can ride those wild stallions. They have a BOND I tells ya. No seriously, you must be moving in the very upper circles of dressage or eventing or whatever to not be meeting those yahoos. Or your boarding stable costs more than they can afford even though they are making amaaaaazin' monies with their training skillz

And if you don't think there are men out there who use horses as a penis extension you have obviously not met the Western crowd. Some of those dudes beat the piss out of their horses and keep them prancing everywhere (and everything has nuts of course) to demonstrate how manly they are by "taming" that wild beast.

The same dicks are attracted to all sorts of different walks of life.

yep and when it all goes pear shaped its the horse thats put down.

Or if its lucky gets sold to someone who knows its a horse not a mind reading soul mate who cant mind read after all.

One thing about pony club you see the darlings who you would give your eye teeth to have at home, gradually destroyed before your eyes and turned into "stupid, savage, bucking bronc" u name it and suddenly its gone and a new well behved one arrives to be disintergrated.

As for the penis extensions, they are either made so hot, scared, fear reactive, and yes even downright savage, no one is interested if they are onsold.

Many cases they are put down because might be seen to shine with a new owner

all those that are unsound of both body and mind, cant fit in the right hole, many with temprement problems, both innate and man made are quietly turned into dog meat.

Its incredibly rare to see headlines of "horse attacks....etc"

Edited November 1, 2012 by asal

[asal]

well, well, well.

Theres one chap who automatically adds another $250 to the retraining fee if its been to carrot stick school.

how to keep respect at feeding time.

http://horseproblems.com.au/Feeding%20your%20horse.htm

Just the beginning shows the writer is fully aware "love" just doesnt cut it.

"Feeding time can be one of the most dangerous times for horse owners and I have to warn that the lack of rules causes many horses to be sent to me for re-education. I include buck jumping.

Feed time is when horses fight for their position in the pecking order. You are being sized up as to whether you are number one or number two Fail in this test of assertiveness and you are destined have a horse that doesn't respect you. Lack of respect equals problems for you in the future.

There are two main venues where the horse puts the amateur owner through the assessment phase. To decide whether you are worthy of being the boss or just second in charge. They are, feed time and lunging. If you are not up to the job, the horse will assume the role and immediately lose respect for you. That loss of respect, quite frankly means that the horse doesn't really like you any more. How do you feel about that then?

This behavior starts in foals at about 5 weeks old and in fact, they are the dangerous ones.

Would you believe that I have horses sent to me that are bucking their owners off and this is primarily caused by a lack of respect and associated rules at feeding time? Here are some rules that always should be adhered to:"

Who was it thought horsie land was all goodness and light?

Edited November 1, 2012 by asal

[k9angel]

Two and a half years ago I decided to adopt a Bull Breed from Canterbury Pound, after following her pound journey in the Canterbury thread and realising if she was going to survive it would mean I would have to be the one to help out.

The wonderful rescue woman who helped me get her over to Adelaide told me she was a Bull Arab type dog with a sweet nature but a whole lot of dog.

Even before she arrived I start researching what to expect as I had no experience with the Bull Breed having only owned and handled Whippets, Kelpies and Borzoi. I found a big swag of information videos done by Bad Rap, an American group that rescue and train (Pit) Bull type dogs, I spoke to Amstaff breeders at dog shows and spoke to other rescued Bull Breed owners.

I am glad I went into it with my eyes open as on an individual level I found Abbie to be more of everything- More unadulterated love, more manic energy, more joy all wrapped in a 35kg wiggle bum. Also she was more leash reactive, more dog selective and needed to have her focus kept on good behaviour rather than not so good behaviour.

It has been a wild ride but I have never, ever regretted my descision to add a Bull Breed to my family but if she had been left unsocialised, untrained and kept on a chain she could have turned into a very different type of dog, although I strongly believe any dog would.

Responsible dog ownership is the key to preventing dog attacks....

Well said Robbi.

[Cosmolo]

But people are proving that they can't be responsible dog owners. There is a need to address those that don't want to be educated willingly.

[Sheridan]

But people are proving that they can't be responsible dog owners. There is a need to address those that don't want to be educated willingly.

You cannot force people to be educated. No legislation about licensing people to own dogs will work. No amount of education will help stupid people.

[Dame Aussie]

But people are proving that they can't be responsible dog owners. There is a need to address those that don't want to be educated willingly.

You cannot force people to be educated. No legislation about licensing people to own dogs will work. No amount of education will help stupid people.

Unfortunately I agree.

[megan_]

But people are proving that they can't be responsible dog owners. There is a need to address those that don't want to be educated willingly.

You cannot force people to be educated. No legislation about licensing people to own dogs will work. No amount of education will help stupid people.

So what do we do?

This is why I'd like a licence system and yard check. If people had to do something and pay a fee before getting a dog it would at least reduce impulse buys.

[Rebanne]

But people are proving that they can't be responsible dog owners. There is a need to address those that don't want to be educated willingly.

You cannot force people to be educated. No legislation about licensing people to own dogs will work. No amount of education will help stupid people.

So what do we do?

This is why I'd like a licence system and yard check. If people had to do something and pay a fee before getting a dog it would at least reduce impulse buys.

naw the dicks would still go out and get their dogs. Personally my view is the same as Sheridan's can't educate stupid.

IMO the laws we already have need to be enforced before adding any new ones. How long has NSW had compulsory microchipping? Over 10 years and plenty of dogs still aren't chipped. The ones from the bloke around the corner with the "staffy" bitch who is bred to the mate up the roads "red nose" dog etc.

[korbin13]

But people are proving that they can't be responsible dog owners. There is a need to address those that don't want to be educated willingly.

You cannot force people to be educated. No legislation about licensing people to own dogs will work. No amount of education will help stupid people.

So what do we do?

This is why I'd like a licence system and yard check. If people had to do something and pay a fee before getting a dog it would at least reduce impulse buys.

naw the dicks would still go out and get their dogs. Personally my view is the same as Sheridan's can't educate stupid.

IMO the laws we already have need to be enforced before adding any new ones. How long has NSW had compulsory microchipping? Over 10 years and plenty of dogs still aren't chipped. The ones from the bloke around the corner with the "staffy" bitch who is bred to the mate up the roads "red nose" dog etc.

Agree with this, they can't/don't police the current council registration and leash laws. I mean, BSL has been in some states for quite some time and not even that is enforced correctly.

[melzawelza]

We already know what the proven solution is to drastically reducing dog bite incidents - it's the Calgary Model and it doesn't involve BSL.

The key points of the Calgary Model are contained in these links:

http://www.defendingdog.com/id38.html

http://www.defendingdog.com/id40.html

http://www.endbslmanitoba.com/calgary-model-works/calgary-model/

These links contain the stats of how successful it is:

http://www.stopcanineprofiling.com/calgary.keys.php

http://supporthersheysbill.com/calgary-model/

[Steve]

Sure - sounds good but in Calgary they police the by laws - Id prefer to see the laws we have enforced before any more nancy laws come in for a just in case a minority are idiots.

Alicense is a temporary revocable permit that allows the licensee to havesomething, or to do something that would be illegal to have, or to do withoutthe license. It makes dog ownership illegal. It turns over all ownership, anduse rights to the licensing agency which can at any time, inspect, confiscate,suspend, revoke, or halt issuance of the license. Licensure is a taking bygovernment without compensation. If you live in a city, town, municipality,county, or state that requires dog owner licensing, then the act of dog ownership hasbeen made illegal without permission of government.

[melzawelza]

Sure - sounds good but in Calgary they police the by laws - Id prefer to see the laws we have enforced before any more nancy laws come in for a just in case a minority are idiots.

Alicense is a temporary revocable permit that allows the licensee to havesomething, or to do something that would be illegal to have, or to do withoutthe license. It makes dog ownership illegal. It turns over all ownership, anduse rights to the licensing agency which can at any time, inspect, confiscate,suspend, revoke, or halt issuance of the license. Licensure is a taking bygovernment without compensation. If you live in a city, town, municipality,county, or state that requires dog owner licensing, then the act of dog ownership hasbeen made illegal without permission of government.

It goes without saying that part of the solution is policing the by laws. The Calgary animal control is self-financed. Not a cent of general ratepayer money goes into it (all comes from registration itself). Our legislation is *OK* but even if rigorously enforced would not necesarily acheive what Calgary has. I say bring in the Calgary Model... ALL OF IT (which includes the fact that it is policed effectively and therefore self-funded).

[Steve]

Sure - sounds good but in Calgary they police the by laws - Id prefer to see the laws we have enforced before any more nancy laws come in for a just in case a minority are idiots.

Alicense is a temporary revocable permit that allows the licensee to havesomething, or to do something that would be illegal to have, or to do withoutthe license. It makes dog ownership illegal. It turns over all ownership, anduse rights to the licensing agency which can at any time, inspect, confiscate,suspend, revoke, or halt issuance of the license. Licensure is a taking bygovernment without compensation. If you live in a city, town, municipality,county, or state that requires dog owner licensing, then the act of dog ownership hasbeen made illegal without permission of government.

It goes without saying that part of the solution is policing the by laws. The Calgary animal control is self-financed. Not a cent of general ratepayer money goes into it (all comes from registration itself). Our legislation is *OK* but even if rigorously enforced would not necesarily acheive what Calgary has. I say bring in the Calgary Model... ALL OF IT (which includes the fact that it is policed effectively and therefore self-funded).

So is part of the plan to introduce licences and still keep dog registrations or to abolish dog registrations and bring in owner licences?

[melzawelza]

Sure - sounds good but in Calgary they police the by laws - Id prefer to see the laws we have enforced before any more nancy laws come in for a just in case a minority are idiots.

Alicense is a temporary revocable permit that allows the licensee to havesomething, or to do something that would be illegal to have, or to do withoutthe license. It makes dog ownership illegal. It turns over all ownership, anduse rights to the licensing agency which can at any time, inspect, confiscate,suspend, revoke, or halt issuance of the license. Licensure is a taking bygovernment without compensation. If you live in a city, town, municipality,county, or state that requires dog owner licensing, then the act of dog ownership hasbeen made illegal without permission of government.

It goes without saying that part of the solution is policing the by laws. The Calgary animal control is self-financed. Not a cent of general ratepayer money goes into it (all comes from registration itself). Our legislation is *OK* but even if rigorously enforced would not necesarily acheive what Calgary has. I say bring in the Calgary Model... ALL OF IT (which includes the fact that it is policed effectively and therefore self-funded).

So is part of the plan to introduce licences and still keep dog registrations or to abolish dog registrations and bring in owner licences?

There is no ownership licensing in Calgary. Just dog licensing (another word for registrations), same as what we currently have here. It's very strongly policed though, which we don't do here (and therefore don't have the funds to do).