Lady Flying Furball Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I feel strange a bit that I am so concerned about what happened to the boy's dog... We know how the boy is but not his dog. I hope his dog ran away or something. I feel for that boy and I think anyone who had a smal enough dog to lift would do the same...I would lose an ear to protect my dog too. They said that the owners cooperated fully and that the two dogs reportedly had scaled a colourbond fence to get out The owner may very well have done the right thing thinking the dogs were secured by a high fence. He has allowed the dogs to be seized and given full info regarding them. the radio said that the owner had had them both since they were puppies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawnim Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 FWIW I saw this on an earlier news. The boy was being lifted into the ambulance with his head all bandaged and there was a dog there with him which I assume was his. It looked like a staffy cross black and white with border collie type markings. It looked okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) From breed enthusiasts this behaviour is also completely unacceptable and uncharacteristic for the breed. An APBT should NEVER redirect onto a human, not even for a tiny nip let alone severing an ear. This is what happens when you ban breeds. Only idiots with no idea breed them and create dogs with serious temperament flaws. Scenes like this were happening long before breed banning. I'm talking about the fact that there are no breed enthusiasts breeding anymore. This kind of scene is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE for even a game bred pit fighter. It is possibly the most important part of an APBT temperament that they do not redirect onto humans. If you demonise and then ban breeds then all the enthusiasts and custodians of the breed stop breeding (because they are law abiding citizens), and all you have left is the dregs of society breeding them because of their reputation. There has been a retraction in the media as to breed this morning. It is now being stated that they were AmStaffs. Edited October 30, 2012 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Double post. Edited October 30, 2012 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 From breed enthusiasts this behaviour is also completely unacceptable and uncharacteristic for the breed. An APBT should NEVER redirect onto a human, not even for a tiny nip let alone severing an ear. This is what happens when you ban breeds. Only idiots with no idea breed them and create dogs with serious temperament flaws. Scenes like this were happening long before breed banning. I'm talking about the fact that there are no breed enthusiasts breeding anymore. This kind of scene is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE for even a game bred pit fighter. It is possibly the most important part of an APBT temperament that they do not redirect onto humans. If you demonise and then ban breeds then all the enthusiasts and custodians of the breed stop breeding (because they are law abiding citizens), and all you have left is the dregs of society breeding them because of their reputation. There has been a retraction in the media as to breed this morning. It is not being stated that they were AmStaffs. Exactly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I meant to write dogs- sick of the old "my dog attacks other dogs but hey, that's what dogs do". I say that as someone with a dog with issues. You need to manage carefully or send them to heaven No arguments here. What does that have to do with the dogs breed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Flying Furball Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 From breed enthusiasts this behaviour is also completely unacceptable and uncharacteristic for the breed. An APBT should NEVER redirect onto a human, not even for a tiny nip let alone severing an ear. This is what happens when you ban breeds. Only idiots with no idea breed them and create dogs with serious temperament flaws. Scenes like this were happening long before breed banning. I'm talking about the fact that there are no breed enthusiasts breeding anymore. This kind of scene is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE for even a game bred pit fighter. It is possibly the most important part of an APBT temperament that they do not redirect onto humans. If you demonise and then ban breeds then all the enthusiasts and custodians of the breed stop breeding (because they are law abiding citizens), and all you have left is the dregs of society breeding them because of their reputation. There has been a retraction in the media as to breed this morning. It is now being stated that they were AmStaffs. I heard them being identified as American Staffordshire... whatever the full name is, I can't remember but that is me not the reporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) I haven't seen them, wouldn't have a clue what breed the dogs are. I saw what appeared to be a red nose pitty in one of the news reports, but I don't know if that was one of the dogs involved or just stock footage used to misrepresent the story - a common practice of our ignoble media. Edited October 30, 2012 by Lo Pan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I haven't seen them, wouldn't have a clue what breed the dogs are. I saw what appeared to be a red nose pitty in one of the news reports, but I don't know if that was one of the dogs involved or just stock footage used to misrepresent the story - a common practice of our ignoble media. Yeah, they rotate between 3 or 4 of them, never the actual dog involved in the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawnim Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I also saw the dogs who are supposed to have attacked the boy's dog. They looked to my untrained eye like Amstaffs or APBTs. I'm not sure of the difference. They were ginger and very powerful. The police were at their home with their guns drawn and pointing at the dogs. The owner was ordered to leash his dogs which he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Do people really think this is ok because it's just dogs being dogs? How is this normal dog behaviour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inevitablue Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 When will they properly punish people for having dogs like this. The government is so quick to jail traffic offenders for behaviour that MAY endanger others, yet someone can own an animal that rips off a human ear and they will get what? a slap on the wrist. Start hitting the owners with six figure fines and jail time. I don't care how much they co operate with the police after the event. They owned animals which attacked unprovoked with the intention of causing serious injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Another classic case of someone under estimating the ability of their dogs to make it ever so clear they do not like another dog...and it's owner. As Tralee stated, I don't think dogs can ever be under managed, yet time and time again they are left in situations where they have the capacity to become agressive and opportunity to show that agression in spades. Much to the detriment of innocents. And the repurcussions are endless...for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilli_star Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think this is from the afternoon news bulletin, as the one last night was longer and showed more footage. 7 News Sydney story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 The video showed two red/tan pitbull looking dogs. Idiots not controlling their dogs, especially dogs that need a heap of skilled management to become upstanding citizens. It makes my blood boil. People suffer because other people are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan B Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Do people really think this is ok because it's just dogs being dogs? How is this normal dog behaviour? I think you missed the point. People were saying that Dogmad's sensationalised 'vile monsters' comment was ridiculous because the dogs are dogs, not evil masterminds out to get everything and everyone. Nobody is saying the behaviour is even remotely acceptable. Edited October 30, 2012 by Plan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Do people really think this is ok because it's just dogs being dogs? How is this normal dog behaviour? I don't think anyone is saying it's ok or acceptable behaviour.I know I'm not, and the breed makes it even more unacceptable for me. The dogs should be euthanased after a thorough investigation INCLUDING temperament and physical condition. I think people are just responding to the over-the-top hyperbole of calling them 'vile monsters'. They are dogs. They are dog aggressive, and attacked another dog and redirected on its owner. While it may not be 'normal' dog behaviour in the way we'd like to imagine, it's not uncommon and happens quite often from all breeds. Dogs are capable of these sorts of things and we should never forget it. Methinks Dogmad should write for the Herald with that kind of sensationalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I've read the whole thread and the reaction of dogs being dogs to the vile monster comment is what bugs me. They aren't dogs being dogs, because that implies that it is normal dog behaviour. It's like saying that's what dogs do. It is an extreme of dog behaviour and when the public see this sort of thing no wonder they support BSL. Upping fines won't work either, because capital punishment has shown to not be a deterrent to murder. I don't know how to stop the people who breed without concern for temperament without hurting a lot of responsible people. You have to wonder how they manage to create individuals who are HA from breeds that have been selected specifically for their tractability with humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) But it is what dogs do? Sure it's not a pleasant behaviour or a behaviour that is acceptable, or even a behaviour commonly seen, but some dogs are aggressive, that won't ever change. Edited October 30, 2012 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I've read the whole thread and the reaction of dogs being dogs to the vile monster comment is what bugs me. They aren't dogs being dogs, because that implies that it is normal dog behaviour. It's like saying that's what dogs do. It is an extreme of dog behaviour and when the public see this sort of thing no wonder they support BSL. Upping fines won't work either, because capital punishment has shown to not be a deterrent to murder. I don't know how to stop the people who breed without concern for temperament without hurting a lot of responsible people. You have to wonder how they manage to create individuals who are HA from breeds that have been selected specifically for their tractability with humans. I think we're seeing things slightly differently. I don't think the behaviour is normal but I am not surprised that dogs are capable of it. Combine high levels of dog aggression (probably temperament combined with lack of socialisation), pack behaviour, with a propensity to redirect (which a huge amount of dogs do) and you can explain the reasons for it from a dog behaviour perspective. Saying words like 'vile monsters' takes away all of that knowledge, common sense and perspective and evokes the feelings of them being the kind of thing you fear because of its horrific, supernatural abilities and it might be hiding under the bed waiting for you. It's not helpful and it's ridiculous coming from someone who supposedly understands dogs. As for why they're now attacking humans, I would Doubt very very much that these dogs are proven pure bred APBT. Mix some guarding breeds in (which would explain the size of these so called APBT we keep hearing about) and bingo - human aggression and the propensity to redirect. I'd bet my life savings that if these dogs were actually pure bred APBT bred to standard the owner would not be injured. The dog - maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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