mixeduppup Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I believe killing is only ok for survival. Humans in the western world no longer need to eat meat so i dont beliee in killing anything for food. Certainly not for clothes or make up etc I have already decided my kids will be vegan because there is no good reason for them to not be. IMHO no one has provided no one has provided a good reason on here for dogs to eat meat. I dont count because thats what nature intended a reason. I think its sad your kids don't get to chose themselves Why? Most kids eat what their parents want them to eat. Free choice comes when you leave home. Because becoming a Vegan is a personal choice and not one your parents should make for you. I believe children should be free to sample all foods and decide what is palatable to them. I'm not sure how well it would be policed in a school ground anyway with children swapping lunches, getting tuckshop, having sleepovers. I was raised very freely and was a vegan for a while, then a vegetarian and then ate meat again. My mum provided what I asked for and supported me in my search for what I liked and what I didn't. Parents should be the foundation for the child and the child can be the ever morphing building upon it. It shouldn't be about forcing a ready-made blueprint of who the child should be and what the child should eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 The point is children are able to make that choice at some point in their lives; dogs can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 A friend of my parents has a small cattle property. He has a fully licensed, small slaughterhouse (the health hoops you have to jump through are considerable). He drives the cattle up there, and kills and dresses them himself. His neighbours also use him. The cattle are never transported (a major issue for me). I don't have an issue with this style of livestock raising and my parents swear his meat TASTE'S better. My personal view is that if more people were aware of how livestock animals were raised and treated for mass food production, they'd be more discerning about where their meat came from. Then again, the cost is all important for some. I DETEST intensive animal farming in a major way. It is WRONG. End of Sermon. this is something I do struggle with, and I tend to try not to think about it, but it is a source of guilt for me. I've been to slaughter yards and sale yards. I've seen frightened injured animals put up for sale and know where they're headed. Who knows, maybe this thread will be the turning point for me. I saw online yesterday a chook workshop coming up, it covers poultry care and also killing and dressing the fowl for the table. An intensive pig farm visit is a nightmare I will never forget. Thank God they banned sow stalls. Yes, very upsetting. They are so intelligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboo Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I stand corrected re my chickens - quite right they aren't vegetarian because I do allow them to free range daily so they would be finding their own bugs, should have thought before typing. However I don't feed any pelleted feed to them due to unwanted ingredients. Past chickens have lived lifespans well over 10 years, still laying the occasional egg, so I don't believe they were deprived. Sorry if this topic is not considered suitable for a first post - I certainly have tried to be polite and respectful, and absolutely disagree with evangelical style vego/vegan preaching. As stated in my post it is a topic I feel strongly. Surely it is normal to want to be able to respond in that case? I have actually been here before briefly, under Elysia, until my registration mysteriously stopped allowing me to reply or start a new topic. Since then I have been lurking, and hadn't got around to reregistering. I also agree with the observation that several people have made regards raising and killing their own meat - a much more respectful and humane alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Any topic is suitable bamboo :) Welcome back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I stand corrected re my chickens - quite right they aren't vegetarian because I do allow them to free range daily so they would be finding their own bugs, should have thought before typing. However I don't feed any pelleted feed to them due to unwanted ingredients. Past chickens have lived lifespans well over 10 years, still laying the occasional egg, so I don't believe they were deprived. Sorry if this topic is not considered suitable for a first post - I certainly have tried to be polite and respectful, and absolutely disagree with evangelical style vego/vegan preaching. As stated in my post it is a topic I feel strongly. Surely it is normal to want to be able to respond in that case? I have actually been here before briefly, under Elysia, until my registration mysteriously stopped allowing me to reply or start a new topic. Since then I have been lurking, and hadn't got around to reregistering. I also agree with the observation that several people have made regards raising and killing their own meat - a much more respectful and humane alternative. you can post where you like :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I stand corrected re my chickens - quite right they aren't vegetarian because I do allow them to free range daily so they would be finding their own bugs, should have thought before typing. However I don't feed any pelleted feed to them due to unwanted ingredients. Past chickens have lived lifespans well over 10 years, still laying the occasional egg, so I don't believe they were deprived. Sorry if this topic is not considered suitable for a first post - I certainly have tried to be polite and respectful, and absolutely disagree with evangelical style vego/vegan preaching. As stated in my post it is a topic I feel strongly. Surely it is normal to want to be able to respond in that case? I have actually been here before briefly, under Elysia, until my registration mysteriously stopped allowing me to reply or start a new topic. Since then I have been lurking, and hadn't got around to reregistering. I also agree with the observation that several people have made regards raising and killing their own meat - a much more respectful and humane alternative. It doesn't matter what you write as your first post. You obviously felt compelled to respond because you're passionate about your beliefs. I'm not sure what Liz T meant by that comment It made me feel a bit paranoid actually - I feel like going back and having a look at my first post now :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboo Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I believe killing is only ok for survival. Humans in the western world no longer need to eat meat so i dont beliee in killing anything for food. Certainly not for clothes or make up etc I have already decided my kids will be vegan because there is no good reason for them to not be. IMHO no one has provided no one has provided a good reason on here for dogs to eat meat. I dont count because thats what nature intended a reason. I think its sad your kids don't get to chose themselves Why? Most kids eat what their parents want them to eat. Free choice comes when you leave home. Because becoming a Vegan is a personal choice and not one your parents should make for you. I believe children should be free to sample all foods and decide what is palatable to them. I'm not sure how well it would be policed in a school ground anyway with children swapping lunches, getting tuckshop, having sleepovers. Isn't choosing to feed meat forcing your choice on children? Part of being a parent is making decisions on behalf of our children and they will reflect our own beliefs in all areas. I have never énforced by choice outside of the home, I have found that beyond some curiousity and experimentation the children have reached their own conclusion. Perhaps it is easier as we live in area where vego/vegan is not uncommon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) I believe killing is only ok for survival. Humans in the western world no longer need to eat meat so i dont beliee in killing anything for food. Certainly not for clothes or make up etc I have already decided my kids will be vegan because there is no good reason for them to not be. IMHO no one has provided no one has provided a good reason on here for dogs to eat meat. I dont count because thats what nature intended a reason. I think its sad your kids don't get to chose themselves Why? Most kids eat what their parents want them to eat. Free choice comes when you leave home. Because becoming a Vegan is a personal choice and not one your parents should make for you. I believe children should be free to sample all foods and decide what is palatable to them. I'm not sure how well it would be policed in a school ground anyway with children swapping lunches, getting tuckshop, having sleepovers. Isn't choosing to feed meat forcing your choice on children? Part of being a parent is making decisions on behalf of our children and they will reflect our own beliefs in all areas. I have never énforced by choice outside of the home, I have found that beyond some curiousity and experimentation the children have reached their own conclusion. Perhaps it is easier as we live in area where vego/vegan is not uncommon? Yes, but we are talking about Vegan dogs and not Vegan children. They are two different things :) Edited October 31, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) I know I'm undecided on the children thing.... I agree that feeding them meat is making a choice for them....but not letting them have it is doing that too....but then parents make choices about religion, morals, ethics etc also....and that's seen as being ok. I think if I had kids I would inform them about the benefits and reasons of a vego diet, but it would be up to them to choose. Until they could, as really littlies though, I'm really not sure if I would feed them meat or not? Edited October 31, 2012 by Aussie3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 The point is children are able to make that choice at some point in their lives; dogs can't. A set of moral boundaries is an important part of parenting. If those boundaries include teaching your child that eating animals is wrong then who are we to comment? I respect the right of parents to raise their kids as vest they see fit. Being a vegan isn't against the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I believe killing is only ok for survival. Humans in the western world no longer need to eat meat so i dont beliee in killing anything for food. Certainly not for clothes or make up etc I have already decided my kids will be vegan because there is no good reason for them to not be. IMHO no one has provided no one has provided a good reason on here for dogs to eat meat. I dont count because thats what nature intended a reason. I think its sad your kids don't get to chose themselves Why? Most kids eat what their parents want them to eat. Free choice comes when you leave home. Because becoming a Vegan is a personal choice and not one your parents should make for you. I believe children should be free to sample all foods and decide what is palatable to them. I'm not sure how well it would be policed in a school ground anyway with children swapping lunches, getting tuckshop, having sleepovers. Isn't choosing to feed meat forcing your choice on children? Part of being a parent is making decisions on behalf of our children and they will reflect our own beliefs in all areas. I have never énforced by choice outside of the home, I have found that beyond some curiousity and experimentation the children have reached their own conclusion. Perhaps it is easier as we live in area where vego/vegan is not uncommon? I think giving your children all foods of the world and letting them decide, along with the education behind it, is the best way of letting them chose what path they take. I'd be devastated if my first taste of a steak wasn't until I was an adult. Obviously children follow their parents in many ways so if you live a strict vegan life, then no doubt they will chose to follow that path too but I believe they should be able to make that choice themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Who says dogs can't choose? If you put a bowl of vegan food down and bowl of normal dog food down and your dog eats the normal dog food and refuses to eat the vegan food I would say that's a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Who says dogs can't choose? If you put a bowl of vegan food down and bowl of normal dog food down and your dog eats the normal dog food and refuses to eat the vegan food I would say that's a choice. You've obviously never lived with pugs - they'll finish both bowls then come asking for more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 My dogs would think i'd cut their legs off if they never got meat or bones again. They most certainly are not vegan dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I stand corrected re my chickens - quite right they aren't vegetarian because I do allow them to free range daily so they would be finding their own bugs, should have thought before typing. However I don't feed any pelleted feed to them due to unwanted ingredients. Past chickens have lived lifespans well over 10 years, still laying the occasional egg, so I don't believe they were deprived. Sorry if this topic is not considered suitable for a first post - I certainly have tried to be polite and respectful, and absolutely disagree with evangelical style vego/vegan preaching. As stated in my post it is a topic I feel strongly. Surely it is normal to want to be able to respond in that case? I have actually been here before briefly, under Elysia, until my registration mysteriously stopped allowing me to reply or start a new topic. Since then I have been lurking, and hadn't got around to reregistering. I also agree with the observation that several people have made regards raising and killing their own meat - a much more respectful and humane alternative. you can post where you like :) Of course you can, I just find it interesting to think there are those watching and what subjects bring them out. :) Welcome to DOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 My dogs would think i'd cut their legs off if they never got meat or bones again. They most certainly are not vegan dogs. :laugh: I'd have a mutiny on my hands if the chicken necks stopped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 While it is definitely not what I would ever choose for my dogs, if a dog is happy and healthy I'd rather save my disgust for idjits who walk their dogs down the street sans-leash or leave their dogs locked in a backyard with no mental or physical exercise. These things tend to get blown way out of proportion - only a very tiny minority of dogs are being fed a vegan diet, and yet in a survey not that long ago, less than 50% of respondents said they regularly walk their dog. I'll save my moral outrage for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Who says dogs can't choose? If you put a bowl of vegan food down and bowl of normal dog food down and your dog eats the normal dog food and refuses to eat the vegan food I would say that's a choice. You've obviously never lived with pugs - they'll finish both bowls then come asking for more And Cavaliers. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 While it is definitely not what I would ever choose for my dogs, if a dog is happy and healthy I'd rather save my disgust for idjits who walk their dogs down the street sans-leash or leave their dogs locked in a backyard with no mental or physical exercise. These things tend to get blown way out of proportion - only a very tiny minority of dogs are being fed a vegan diet, and yet in a survey not that long ago, less than 50% of respondents said they regularly walk their dog. I'll save my moral outrage for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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