mantis Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Because I'm trying to make the point that you can't change an animals digestive system. So why would you feed them something that either they can't digest or takes too much energy to digest efficiently. A herbivores digestive system is amazingly complicated and for good reason. I hope my grammars been ok I'm on my iPhone. This is a dog site, so let's stick to dogs diets. Dogs do like other foods apart from meat, so there is no reason they can't have a combination of foods in their diet. I wouldn't feed my dogs vegan, but only 30% of their diet is meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkhe Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Because I'm trying to make the point that you can't change an animals digestive system. So why would you feed them something that either they can't digest or takes too much energy to digest efficiently. A herbivores digestive system is amazingly complicated and for good reason. I hope my grammars been ok I'm on my iPhone. I don't think anyone is actually arguing with you... nobody has ever said that you can change an animal's digestive system. People are just responding to particular assertions, eg that you can only get xxx from xxx source, which are not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 If dogs wanted to be vegan then I suppose the problem we would be having with wild dogs and domestic roaming dogs wouldn't be that they kill the farmers sheep, but rather they were competing with the sheep for the grass. :laugh: IMG_9392dpptc by kirislin, on Flickr lol Kirislin, those photos look like something Boston, my pug would love to join. He rips up the long grass and munches on it. His nickname is Farmer Joe because he always has the really long bits hanging out the side of his mouth, like a stalk of wheat or something Cue hillbilly music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) And the rest of the food you are giving them? Please enlighten me on how you would get a cat who can not digest plants to survive on only plants. With studies please. surely it's not all powders I'm not sure about cats, but dogs are fed a diet of Whey protein powder, high protein vegetables and supplements. Do a search on here and you will see. Or perhaps, if you are genuinely interested, you could PM some of the people on here who own/have owned dogs who can't tolerate meat protein. And, if you really want, I could ask my Naturopath (who has over 40 years' experience with people and animals) the question you have about vegetable sources of protein. She specialises in allergies and anti-aging, and she has a particular interest in high protein/low carb diets. She is one Australia's leading Naturopaths. But I don't want to waste her time if you are just arguing for the sake of it. I think there are quite a few Holistic Vets on here, too. Also, Nekhbet might be an interesting person to talk to. Just because you have never heard of something, it doesn't mean it's impossible, untrue or doesn't exist :) Whey is animal protein Whey comes from milk, not meat protein. Vegetarians can eat Whey protein. I know because I did :) ETA Sorry, I meant alternative sources of protein and not vegetable sources. Corrected now :) Edited October 30, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Whey is animal protein Whey comes from milk, not meat protein. Vegetarians can eat Whey protein. I know because I did :) ETA Sorry, I meant alternative sources of protein and not vegetable sources. Corrected now :) Yes, but vegans can't, it's still an animal product. If you want to get reallllllly technical, only lacto-ovo vegetarians can eat dairy, not all vegetarians do :laugh: Edited October 30, 2012 by minimax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 And the rest of the food you are giving them? Please enlighten me on how you would get a cat who can not digest plants to survive on only plants. With studies please. surely it's not all powders No idea, I'm not a cat person and have never owned one. Perhaps if you're interested you could do some research :) You asked taurine, I answered taurine. Ummm, did you read the study I posted????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I decided to do a test to see if my cat was vegan. I put out four choices, a spring onion (organic), vegetarian mince, a red apple and cat food. I even changed the order and the results were conclusive, he's not Alicia Silverstone's cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Whey is animal protein Whey comes from milk, not meat protein. Vegetarians can eat Whey protein. I know because I did :) ETA Sorry, I meant alternative sources of protein and not vegetable sources. Corrected now :) Yes, but vegans can't, it's still an animal product. If you want to get reallllllly technical, only lacto-ovo vegetarians can eat dairy, not all vegetarians do :laugh: Ahh, but human Vegans mostly choose not to eat Whey protein powder for philosophical reasons. I don't think dogs have a problem digesting milk protein (I'm not talking about Lactose). Dogs don't have philosophical reasons; only their owners do :laugh: ETA Oh, I see what you mean...we're talking about Vegan diets for pets. I give up. I have no idea what they can eat then :laugh: Edited October 30, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 And the rest of the food you are giving them? Please enlighten me on how you would get a cat who can not digest plants to survive on only plants. With studies please. surely it's not all powders No idea, I'm not a cat person and have never owned one. Perhaps if you're interested you could do some research :) You asked taurine, I answered taurine. Ummm, did you read the study I posted????? No, because the summary said they were cooking the taurine, and I have no interest in cooking the taurine, so the study wasn't really relevant. But if LisaCC is interested then that's good and she could read it. Plus I don't care about cats, I'm allergic to them and don't know anything about them, and don't have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Whey is animal protein Whey comes from milk, not meat protein. Vegetarians can eat Whey protein. I know because I did :) ETA Sorry, I meant alternative sources of protein and not vegetable sources. Corrected now :) Yes, but vegans can't, it's still an animal product. If you want to get reallllllly technical, only lacto-ovo vegetarians can eat dairy, not all vegetarians do :laugh: Ahh, but human Vegans mostly choose not to eat Whey protein powder for philosophical reasons. I don't think dogs have a problem digesting milk protein (I'm not talking about Lactose). Dogs don't have philosophical reasons; only their owners do :laugh: LOL I know, but if we're talking vegan diets in dogs, we're talking vegan diets in dogs :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Whey is animal protein Whey comes from milk, not meat protein. Vegetarians can eat Whey protein. I know because I did :) ETA Sorry, I meant alternative sources of protein and not vegetable sources. Corrected now :) Yes, but vegans can't, it's still an animal product. If you want to get reallllllly technical, only lacto-ovo vegetarians can eat dairy, not all vegetarians do :laugh: Ahh, but human Vegans mostly choose not to eat Whey protein powder for philosophical reasons. I don't think dogs have a problem digesting milk protein (I'm not talking about Lactose). Dogs don't have philosophical reasons; only their owners do :laugh: LOL I know, but if we're talking vegan diets in dogs, we're talking vegan diets in dogs :p Yes, you're right. I always get confused about the Vegan/Vegetarian thing - it really annoys my sister who is a Vegan. Sorry I was too slow to reply. I was editing my post (above) :laugh: Edited October 30, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Because I'm trying to make the point that you can't change an animals digestive system. So why would you feed them something that either they can't digest or takes too much energy to digest efficiently. A herbivores digestive system is amazingly complicated and for good reason. I hope my grammars been ok I'm on my iPhone. This is a dog site, so let's stick to dogs diets. Dogs do like other foods apart from meat, so there is no reason they can't have a combination of foods in their diet. I wouldn't feed my dogs vegan, but only 30% of their diet is meat. Yes please - Vegan dog diets :laugh: Edited October 30, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Maniac Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 There's a lake nearby my house with lots of ducks. Note to self: no duckpond for puppy :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 There's a lake nearby my house with lots of ducks. Note to self: no duckpond for puppy :laugh: S/he might prefer possum poo anyway :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Maniac Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Well, I suppose I can't win all the battles. There are definitely possums and roos galore around these parts :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) So, to clarify, there is a difference between a Vegan dog - a dog who is forced to eat a Vegan diet because of their owner's philosophical beliefs - and a dog with an intolerance to meat protein. This is a completely different thing because a dog with an intolerance to meat protein doesn't have to go on a Vegan diet. They can eat Whey protein. The only thing I can think of that a Vegan dog can eat is Soy protein. Edited October 30, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) And the rest of the food you are giving them? Please enlighten me on how you would get a cat who can not digest plants to survive on only plants. With studies please. surely it's not all powders No idea, I'm not a cat person and have never owned one. Perhaps if you're interested you could do some research :) You asked taurine, I answered taurine. Ummm, did you read the study I posted????? No, because the summary said they were cooking the taurine, and I have no interest in cooking the taurine, so the study wasn't really relevant. But if LisaCC is interested then that's good and she could read it. Plus I don't care about cats, I'm allergic to them and don't know anything about them, and don't have any. The study investigated the level of taurine in a wide range of foods - both raw and cooked - inlcuding a wide range of plant matter and seaweed. Edited October 30, 2012 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Espinay, I'm looking through that study now as I couldn't before because I was on my phone. It's quite interesting. I was wondering why we would not of learn about Taurine content in plants for animal nutrition, obviously due to the very low levels. I might try to find some more recent studies to see if they have yet found out how the taurine in Fungi and Bacteria actually work on animal tissue. I find it interesting that it doesn't do the same role as Taurine from animal sources. Oh and I've noticed most people don't look past the abstract/summaries of articles. Edited October 30, 2012 by LisaCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Oh and I've noticed most people don't look past the abstract/summaries of articles. I have ADHD - I save my limited attention span for topics that interest me :laugh: Plus the abstract is meant to tell you the basics anyways, to let you know if you're interested in reading more. I wasn't. So I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I decided to do a test to see if my cat was vegan. I put out four choices, a spring onion (organic), vegetarian mince, a red apple and cat food. I even changed the order and the results were conclusive, he's not Alicia Silverstone's cat. This is brilliant! You should write it up and get published Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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