mallakoff Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Hi to all, I have been visiting the forum for awhile but this is my first post I have a weeing problem with my 2 year old rescue Ibizan X Staghound (staghound) She's a lazy girl and decides that she'll relax her bladder and let wee trickle out when shes on her bed or just lying round. At first I thought she had a medical problem. But she has been checked by the vet for bladder problems etc.. and was ok'd so nothing medical just lazy. She is house trained and has never squatted to do a or wee or poo in the house. But When I first got her I would repeatedly find her and her bed wee soaked in the morning, not much fun. I gave her corrections (spank on the bum and a stern word) for this after finding out that she had no medical issues, and the night time bed wetting has stopped. So she can hold her bladder for up to 10 hours +. Never had it happen in the car on long trips either. Just seems to happen when shes relaxing round the house outside and inside. This problem is still happening during the day, she gets lazy and does a little trickle. enough to make her bum wet. So my days can often go like this... I take her for a walk and she has a wee ,but an hour later after we get home I find her on her bed doing a little wee trickle. She could just get up and take a wee on the lawn when she's outside. And when shes inside she could go the door and scratch on it to tell me shes needs to go for a wee. (she will scratch on the door to let me know when she occasionally needs to do a poop in the middle of the night) So when the wee trickling happens shes not busting to go ,because I take to spot where she likes to wee on lawn and she doesn't wee straight away she just wanders round and doesn't wee ? So then I then take her for a quick walk around the block and she do a wee at some stage on our short walk. But I can't be walking round the block every hour. ( i work at home) She gets plenty of opportunities to relive her self during the day, if she's inside she gets to go out every 2 hours for a wee. She knows that wee trickles are not allowed as when she has done it and she sees me she jumps off her bed and looks sheepish. She has her good days where there's no problem and she has her lazy days where this may happen several times in a day... There was even a couple of month period when the weeing problem stopped completely. But has started again... really not sure what to do to fully correct this this problem ,its tricky. Other than this wee problem she a great girl and a very funny happy dog who loves to play with her best friend my other dog who is a 3 year old male Greyhound X Deerhound (Staghound). Does anyone have some suggestions? Thanks - Mal. Edited October 23, 2012 by mallakoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Is she desexed? If so, when was she desexed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 If she is desexed, did they check her for spey incontinence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I really doubt your dog has any control over this ...and am wondering if you & your vet discussed spey incontinence ? read about it HERE Please don't punish her .... and yes, she looks 'guilty' because she remembers the loud voice and smack ..not neccessarily because of what she has done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Sounds like incontinence to me. I have a bitch here who developed this as she got older, once on the medication she was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Good lord, stop calling her lazy and spanking her, it sounds like a typical presentation of incontinence that she would have no control over, she relaxes, so do the muscles controlling her bladder and she dribbles some urine. It is quite common in desexed bitches and is often very responsive to medication. Unless you've already tried such medication without success, the first thing I'd do is ditch the vet who claimed it was behavioural and get a second opinion from someone more useful. It is not pleasant for the dog to sleep in her own pee, it could be scalding her skin too. Edited October 23, 2012 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Your dog isn't being 'naughty' or even "lazy". You are projecting human qualities onto her that don't exist. I would get a second opinion from a specialist and leave her poor bum alone Edited October 23, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 for goodness sake take your poor dog to a different vet and stop hitting her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 ...and , mallakoff we (I) need photos of these two !! Please? I had a staghound for around 8 years ..and I just love them :) Hope you find a vet who will consider this incontinence a hormonal problem, and that your girl is better very soon :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallakoff Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) I really doubt your dog has any control over this ...and am wondering if you & your vet discussed spey incontinence ? read about it HERE Please don't punish her .... and yes, she looks 'guilty' because she remembers the loud voice and smack ..not neccessarily because of what she has done Hi yep i discussed spay incontinence with vet and he recommended stilbestrol etc...because she was spayed early stilbestrol gave her rashes all around her bum etc.. she then went on another drug Propalin which helps tone the muscle around the bladder. I gave her this drug for 2 weeks slowly reducing the dose to 1/8th of what the vet recommended and was having good results so good i decided to stop giving her the drug completely to see what would happen .The result was that she didn't start wetting the bed again but had stopped wetting her bed day and night even without the administering the drug. I asked the vet how long Propalin stayed in the system he said only for a very short time that's why regular doses are needed and the tiny dose that i was giving 1/8 of recommended her was unheard of to be effective. vet was baffled how my dog had gone from wetting herself alot to not at all and being completely off the drug. The bed wetting day and night stopped for several months after these initial trial of drugs and then taking her off them completely ,we were all baffled? she went for several months with no problems then it started up again..? The problem went away ...it came back again still I did not correct her for another month after the problem came back.... i hate correcting her she's a very soft dog and hates it... I started to correct her after watching her very carefully while she lay on the couch ..she would relax and let a little wee out... I would go over to her and lift up her tail and watch at her quickly contract her bladder muscles and stop the trickle ...that's when i worked out she was being relaxed/lazy I then proceeded to correct her. So she has been off all drugs for 6mths now she does not wet her bed at night anymore but continues to let trickles out during the day when laying around. This does not happen on long car trips at or at other peoples houses or for the 10+ hours she is asleep at night..... its weird i know. Edited October 26, 2012 by mallakoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallakoff Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) just saw all the other posts ..before you judge this situation understand that i have been agonizing over this for months and racking my brains to work out then problem . would have put it up on the forum sooner but knew that a barrage of shit was going to fly my way...... BUt yeah probably should have included the bit about the vet etc.... sorry forgot to mention it Edited October 23, 2012 by mallakoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 would have put it up on the forum sooner but knew that a barrage of shit was going to fly my way..... dont judge to quickly guys.... Unfortunately, you did not share all the information .... if you had explained about the medications , in the first post etc .. you would probably have received different responses... I still don't think it is conscious ... when sleeping for long periods, kidneys produce much less urine.... when travelling, visiting or whatever..the slight excitement would keep muscles a bit tense . When she thinks she is safe in her bed at home ..she totally relaxes ... AS for the intermittent occurrences... try & remember what else was happening around that time ..what was th e difference in weather, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallakoff Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) yeah i forgot that bit oops ...sorry my fault... that's why i did a quick edit when i realized i forget to mention some important stuff....didn't mean to be so reactive ..just did you know how it goes .. Edited October 23, 2012 by mallakoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) I still think you need a second vet opinion. This doesn't sound like a training issue at all, it sounds medical. Being relaxed isn't being lazy, she is just physically relaxing her muscles to rest. And of course she tenses up again when you lift her tail. If you read all the posts in the link Pers posted, several people talk about the condition improving with medication, going off the tablets, and then recurring some time later. Maybe you haven't found the medication that works best for her yet, maybe it's not hormonal but has one of the other possible medical causes - but it really sounds like you need better veterinary advice. Some dogs do develop the habit of peeing on their beds - but it is a deliberate peeing, not this dribbling. Edited October 23, 2012 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallakoff Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Ok cool just read a few of the other posts . will take her to a different vet to see what they... thanks to all for the advice Again sorry to be so hasty just feelin a little bit defensive ...but I'd better drop that nonsense or no one will want to give me any advice and i will learn nothing.. Edited October 23, 2012 by mallakoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Awww, she's lovely... Good on you for coming on here and asking about her, and braving the barrage of shit :laugh: There are tons of people on here who can talk to you about correction versus punishment :) Edited October 23, 2012 by Labradork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Perhaps she is now not relaxed enough at night for it to occur given the corrections she has received in that context. Back to the vet for medication for sure. Edited October 23, 2012 by Cosmolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallakoff Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 Perhaps she is now not relaxed enough at night for it to occur given the corrections she has received in that context. Back to the vet for medication for sure. the problem stopped completely for a while... day and night and this was before i started correcting. But yeah back to the vet to see what they think again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallakoff Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Awww, she's lovely... Good on you for coming on here and asking about her, and braving the barrage of shit :laugh: There are tons of people on here who can talk to you about correction versus punishment :) Heheh probably wouldn't of received any shit if I took the time to thoroughly explain the situation and remembered the important bits Edited October 23, 2012 by mallakoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Heheh probably wouldn't of received any shit if I took the time to thoroughly explain the situation and remembered the important bits *nods* You know now , for next time :p :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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