Oscar (AmBull) Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Hi DOLers, Haven't posted in a while but need some help. I went to Bark in the Park (SA) yesterday and when we were getting washed the groomer proceeded to tell me that the prong collar was banned and I better watch out the RSPCA don't see me. BACKGROUND: I bought the collar from Steve (K9 Pro) and had a session with him showing me how to use it correctly etc, therefore I am trained in how to use one properly. I told the groomer that as far as I knew they were only banned in Vic and that I had been trained to use it properly by a professional trainer etc. She was adamant, saying she had nothing against them but clearly she did, that they were banned AUS wide and that she travels overseas and their importation is illegal etc. I have tried to google this but with no luck. So can anyone tell me, is the prong collar now banned Australia wide? This is the first time anyone has approached me about the collar in the almost 2 years I have had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenGirl85 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 To my knowledge no they aren't banned Australia wide, and yes they are illegal to import, but they can be imported by people with some sort of permit (i.e Steve) I'd say she is just a pro PR person who doesn't understand how a prong actually works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Only banned in VIC. If in doubt read your state's Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Prong collars are only banned in VIC. You need a permit to import them but it is not illegal. Edited October 21, 2012 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconRange Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Prong collars are not banned in SA, but e-collars are, which may be the source of confusion. Here is a link to the SA Animal Welfare Act 1985. Part 3 Section 15 details the e-collar ban. What may also cause confusion is the SACA (DogsSA) ban on both prong and e-collars at any of their shows, trials and exhibitions, under section 52 of their SACA Rules document which can be found here. I believe K9 Pro also stock a prong collar cover if you are concerned by opinions of members of the public and want to avoid such (uneducated) attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar (AmBull) Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 Thanks for all of the help. We have the prong collar cover but rarely use it because we really have no need and it is something extra to get ready, we are not bothered by other people's opinions because as far as we are concerned it has been a god send for us and we use it properly. So even if you are going to a SACA event, not a show, trial etc like today they had an American Bulldog and Staffy Day (which we did not attend but I would have liked to) we would not have been able to attend and use the prong? Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconRange Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'm not sure, but I'd imagine that it's possible you could be asked to stop using the collar or even leave the event. If you're a SACA member you potentially could also be given a warning or be given further consequences for going against their rules, especially if you were on their grounds. Honestly though, I think it's a little bit dumb that the major public dog body doesn't support the use of valid and effective training tools that are safe when used correctly. If even the public face of dog owners won't support their use, it's no wonder individuals, organisations and governments start to form uninformed opinions about whether they should be allowed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I have no idea about prong collars, I just saw your sig and wanted to say Oscar is one amazing looking dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 How timely this thread is. I saw a dog in Vic yesterday with a prong collar on. At least I think that's what it was. It was a chain link collar with bits pointing inwards so that if the collar was pulled they would poke into the dogs neck. I was going to ask if I could take the dogs photo but decided not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobieMum Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) I think the problem is the person, who uses it and hasn't been trained properly. They really can't turn round and say IK you can use it, but you can't. Edited October 22, 2012 by Pauchel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lavendergirl Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Why do people use it? Its such a vicious looking implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Why do people use it? Its such a vicious looking implement. Because it helps effectivly control their dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 And it looks vicious but it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Just like many dogs who look ' visious' to the uneducated. :D A check chain yanked hard is worse than a prong used properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 They're the best thing since sliced bread to be honest and I wish Victorian law would go die in a hole so we can get some dogs trained properly instead of sending them off to die because everyone wants to be so nauseatingly PC about everything. I believe ANKC grounds do not allow them, the RSPCA does not like them despite them being legal in those states and hence they just want to make life difficult. It's about bullying tactics, you're allowed but they'll make your life miserable. Keep using it if it works and tell everyone else to mind their own business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huga Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Just like many dogs who look ' visious' to the uneducated. :D A check chain yanked hard is worse than a prong used properly. Yes! Yank both around one of your thighs to check ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Just like many dogs who look ' visious' to the uneducated. :D A check chain yanked hard is worse than a prong used properly. Is a prong collar used IMproperly worse than a check chain used either properly or improperly? I'm not trying to be inflammatory here, just asking cause I know nothing about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesars mum Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 a prong collar even used improperly cant strangle a dog or damage the tracea as it is a martingale with limited restriction unlike a check chain which can just keep getting tighter untill the dog drops from being strangled. Also pulled hard and fast can cause major damage with a check chain to the tracea. give me a prong collar any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 ewww I just googled prong collars and the search came up with prong collar injuries. Used improperly it's pretty awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) ewww I just googled prong collars and the search came up with prong collar injuries. Used improperly it's pretty awful I can almost guarantee (and I say almost purely because I don't know exactly which pics you've looked at) the pics you're looking at would have been caused by pressure necrosis which happens when the collar is left on a dog for too long (read: weeks or months). The same injuries can occur any type of collar, including flat collars, check chains etc. Edited October 23, 2012 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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