asal Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) the event was at the local showgrounds which they would have paid to use but i as a local own the grounds more than them due to rates. i wasn't being a pain, lots of people kept trying to sell me puppies and hanging crap on the other competitors and complaining about the judges. i asked a few dumb questions like so thats a champion border collie - it must be good at herding sheep? For some strange reason I am getting this irrepressible feeling you just might have a talent for ruffling feathers, not just on a forum. It does sound like you might have been lucky they didnt have any tar and feathers handy :) from one who's been known to a thread without even realising I'd dropped a bomb Edited October 19, 2012 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Oord, I found this one re Judy Guard but not the main one so far http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/209593-judy-gard-all-done/page__st__15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) nah no crusader here, not worth the energy expenditure, my only passion is to fight stupidity and ignorance in the small ways that i can and to speak for those that don't otherwise have a voice - we are afterall supposed to be the species with the superior intelligence. so does that me a troll in yr estimation. You seem to have an awful lot to say about subjects you seem quite uninformed on yourself. Dingos are not wolves. You clearly have no idea about whether or not they can be managed as pets or not. You make sweeping generalisations about owners of bull breeds and suggest those dogs all bred specifically for dog fights. Maybe 200 years ago - but not today. Otherwise we'd all be able to hear dog fights from home. You also make a sweeping and ill informed generalisations about ANKC breeders. And also about the obligations of puppy sellers in the markets. Times are a changing - try to keep up. In QLD, NSW and Vic it is illegal to sell puppies without microchips http://www.dsdip.qld.gov.au/laws-and-codes/pet-owners.html I don't think I can point to a single post of yours in this thread where my understanding of what is fact in the world matches yours. And the things you've written about ANKC pure bred dogs specifically GSD and the breeders and the shows breach a number of forum rules and you wonder why people are getting upset with you. It's not your written expression - it's more how you think and what you think is true and you call us "stupid and ignorant" - get the plank out your own eye. Amen. BTW I have had a Dingo Hybrid,now I think on it,but it was pretty diluted by working kelpie and B.C so we realy never gave it much thought.Very dingo looking,but the "saddle" I have to say the same thing,she was a ...Dog. :) Curious Orrd that you have no problem with Dingos suitability for pets but disagree with their breeding and sale On what grounds then? Edited October 19, 2012 by moosmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 the internet is so painful to explain anything - i don't think dingoes fall into the same category as breeds bred for generation and selected specifically to go against all of nature and fight members of their own species to the death - i am not retarded - i in general agree with a limited form of BSL - which would include limited ownership of the dingo - I DO NOT MEAN ALL DINGOES SHOULD BE DESTRYOYED - I DO NOT EQUATE DINGOES AND PIT BULLS - i am refferring to ownership of these animals as pets. if no one owned one as a pet and they flourished in their natural environment in a protected parcel of land eg national park away from clashes with land owners so they don'e get shot, die painfully in traps that maim them, die horribly from 10-80, cross breed with domestic dogs becuase irresponsible owners can't control their pets....etc, etc then i would personally be happy. So you say that you're not really concerned with them being owned as pets and then I find that you have also said ^this^ previously. Excuse me if I'm a bit confused by your posts and backtracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 maybe dingoes have changed .. in my previous life I was involved with a group who were attempting to keep the alpine dingo genes as pure as they could. To this end .. dingoes were fostered out ...and each month or so , brought together for the day ..as a socialisation thing. I never ever viewed these as 'pets'..and they weren't ,really. They certainly maintained all their own behaviours , vocalisations/oestrus cycles ..and on one of several occasions where I was 'bailed up' by one ... it was a very different experience . I thoroughly enjoyed my time spent with them ...like domestic dogs..but very different . ..maybe in the past 30 odd years , breeding has changed them somewhat ....their 'wildness' and displays of behaviour was what I found wonderful ..even when it was directed my way ..with the whining growl sounding more like an angry cat than a dog , getting higher pitched as the mood changed ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 no person here or anywhere else can say that there dog would never bite another person - that is wishful thinking, i just take it that bit further and don't give mine the opportunity, does not follow they are monsters but they are far from pets and as a responsible owner i have to take responsibilty for that fact. I always say the opposite ..our dogs have teeth, and they will use them if they see a need. If your dogs are not pets, then do they work ? At what? .. Your self- imposed constraints ..are they because of an innate behaviour of your dogs, or just that they have never been thoroughly socialised? "never being able to relax for a minute when the public are involved, in fact they rarely get exposed to the general public and when they do its under strict physical controls and restraints, self imposed constraints by a responsible dog owner, sux for me and my dogs in some ways as they are almost completely isolated from the public and will never be allowed to just hang out at a dog show or whatever" <br style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: verdana, tahoma, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 17.600000381469727px; background-color: rgb(238, 242, 247); "> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 That sounds like a horrible life for a dog as they are pack animals and crave company and socialisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeopener Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Also you do admit that the "real dog" you own was created because someone wanted something different from what was around and its believed that included crossing with a wolf? Perhaps people see something new and worth working with in the Dingo? Well right now I have a couple of bushies in my kitchen discussing this very thread. They have known many domesticated dingos, including some whose owners were not even aware that their dog was a dingo. They cannot remember a single incident that caused any complaints by neighbours as to temprement or agression being an issue, every one they knew was an excellent happy pet. The funniest being those city folk who had rescued what they had perceived as an abandoned pup found in the bush and didnt know it was any but a lost pup. One lady for example, found hers semi paralysed with ticks, the other similarly sick and half starved near a road where they stopped for a picnic. The old bushies knew instantly though. This breeding and advertising them is a new thing. The opinion in the kitchen is there is far less danger to the public from a dingo pup home reared than any of the BSL breeds so fail to see why are the reasons against them being kept being voiced here. I have to say if anything any dingo I owned or knew well where quite dogs that would run away not attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Also you do admit that the "real dog" you own was created because someone wanted something different from what was around and its believed that included crossing with a wolf? Perhaps people see something new and worth working with in the Dingo? Well right now I have a couple of bushies in my kitchen discussing this very thread. They have known many domesticated dingos, including some whose owners were not even aware that their dog was a dingo. They cannot remember a single incident that caused any complaints by neighbours as to temprement or agression being an issue, every one they knew was an excellent happy pet. The funniest being those city folk who had rescued what they had perceived as an abandoned pup found in the bush and didnt know it was any but a lost pup. One lady for example, found hers semi paralysed with ticks, the other similarly sick and half starved near a road where they stopped for a picnic. The old bushies knew instantly though. This breeding and advertising them is a new thing. The opinion in the kitchen is there is far less danger to the public from a dingo pup home reared than any of the BSL breeds so fail to see why are the reasons against them being kept being voiced here. I have to say if anything any dingo I owned or knew well where quiet dogs that would run away not attack. So true, they would never the the dog of choice for the ego extentionist's. To be called a "dingo" by a bushi is no compliment is it? Like their cousins the cattledog, they tend to dissappear , then wait for the better opportunity to get what they want when your not looking if its food. Love the way they dont think its wrong to pinch something if you dont see them. First trick dad taught me, you trick them to think you have not only eyes in the back of your head, but can see through walls. LOL Although unlike the cattledogs most dont reappear behind an unaccompanied stranger if they lobb into your dogs home yard or go for the heels either . Never ceases to amaze me how many people end up stuck at the owners home unable to get back out the gate because they dont know its not best practice to enter someones yard if no one is at home and a cattledog is there. Although some like Debbie do the stand, and do not enter from the first they see a stranger. theres the darlings that let them in then stand guard and wont let them out. the Most embarrassing was finding my new landload waiting for me when I arrived home from work, I had only rescued my new cattledog from the liverpool pound 3 weeks before. she was a corker. At least he only had to wait and hour and a half, or I might have been looking for a new home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Just wondered if everyone posting is aware that the Dingo is an ANKC recognised breed?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Just wondered if everyone posting is aware that the Dingo is an ANKC recognised breed?? I thought they might be,but wasn't sure. Thats cool! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalteseLuna Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Just wondered if everyone posting is aware that the Dingo is an ANKC recognised breed?? Yes - there was a push from some of the conservation groups for that. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Hey Orrd? Don't go away.There are some great stories here.Just try not to judge us till you've heard 'em. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Seems I am going to be boarding a Dingo shortly. I am interested to she what she is like to handle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Seems I am going to be boarding a Dingo shortly. I am interested to she what she is like to handle I would be interested in your impresions. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I have been lucky enough to work with a range of canids in captive populations including wolves, fox and coyote in the US and dingo here in Australia. All very interesting and very different. The Dingo I worked with were quite standoffish for the most part, could take you or leave you and were easily distracted. VERY high prey drive and care needed to be taken when walking them around the facility as they tended to fixate. Small children crying they were VERY interested in. I found them generally easy to work with though. Note these were not animals raised in a domestic situation but were habituated to handling by their carers. Wolves are a whole different kettle of fish and even when hand raised in isolation from the pack and with 24 hour human care and contact from around 3 days of age they are never domesticated. A reasonable degree of training can be done (a good friend of mine has been responsible for the traning of 'ambassador wolves') but they are really only habituated and not pets in any way shape or form. Note that the behaviours exhibited by both dogs and wolves are the same. It is only the frequency and intensity of certain behaviours that varies. The agonistic behaviours in wolves for example are much more intense as is their prey drive which is through the roof. A handler/keeper can not even go in an enclosure with them if sporting a minor injury which causes them pain (eg wincing) as it is a weakness they can pick up on and can lead to a challenge (which means a keeper gets injured). Feeding is NEVER done alone (there is one case I know of where habituated wolves killed their keeper at feeding time - unfortunately there was no one around to help him when he was challenged and he paid the consequences). Respecting their power, they are however great to work with and respond well to management and training using positive rewards/clicker. Watching them stalk a child through a (double) fence though is rather spine chilling and fascinating at the same time. I have only worked with one coyote, but found him in many ways similar to a dingo to handle. Not as intense as a wolf. Foxes are fun! a bit different being vulpes vulpes not canis lupus, but great to work with. If only they didn't smell up their area so darn much.. (usually why those that decide it would be cool to keep one as a pet give them up as it truly is horrible!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) Seems I am going to be boarding a Dingo shortly. I am interested to she what she is like to handle I would be interested in your impresions. :) I have seen them and crosses before but never had to deal with them closely and on a daily basis. I am making sure one exercise yard is escape proof and unable to be climbed out of as I hear they are as nimble as a cat and I won't risk her climbing out. All the runs are escape proof but the yards are not fully enlosed(as in over the top) - yet!Theya re 1.8metres high adn double fenced but I am not taking any risks. Will let you know how I find her :) When I was a young child a local lady had a Fox she kept as a pet. He has his own run and a very securely fenced yard and was only taken out on a leash, not that he seemed to mind, he loved pats and was a very curious creature. I don't remember him smelling? but I was only around 5 Edited October 23, 2012 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The fox itself wouldn't smell, but the enclosure would have. Here is a good site for containment ideas! :D : http://www.inetdesign.com/wolfdunn/containment/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeopener Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Also you do admit that the "real dog" you own was created because someone wanted something different from what was around and its believed that included crossing with a wolf? Perhaps people see something new and worth working with in the Dingo? Well right now I have a couple of bushies in my kitchen discussing this very thread. They have known many domesticated dingos, including some whose owners were not even aware that their dog was a dingo. They cannot remember a single incident that caused any complaints by neighbours as to temprement or agression being an issue, every one they knew was an excellent happy pet. The funniest being those city folk who had rescued what they had perceived as an abandoned pup found in the bush and didnt know it was any but a lost pup. One lady for example, found hers semi paralysed with ticks, the other similarly sick and half starved near a road where they stopped for a picnic. The old bushies knew instantly though. This breeding and advertising them is a new thing. The opinion in the kitchen is there is far less danger to the public from a dingo pup home reared than any of the BSL breeds so fail to see why are the reasons against them being kept being voiced here. I have to say if anything any dingo I owned or knew well where quiet dogs that would run away not attack. So true, they would never the the dog of choice for the ego extentionist's. To be called a "dingo" by a bushi is no compliment is it? Like their cousins the cattledog, they tend to dissappear , then wait for the better opportunity to get what they want when your not looking if its food. Love the way they dont think its wrong to pinch something if you dont see them. First trick dad taught me, you trick them to think you have not only eyes in the back of your head, but can see through walls. LOL Although unlike the cattledogs most dont reappear behind an unaccompanied stranger if they lobb into your dogs home yard or go for the heels either . Never ceases to amaze me how many people end up stuck at the owners home unable to get back out the gate because they dont know its not best practice to enter someones yard if no one is at home and a cattledog is there. Although some like Debbie do the stand, and do not enter from the first they see a stranger. theres the darlings that let them in then stand guard and wont let them out. the Most embarrassing was finding my new landload waiting for me when I arrived home from work, I had only rescued my new cattledog from the liverpool pound 3 weeks before. she was a corker. At least he only had to wait and hour and a half, or I might have been looking for a new home So true my girl was sneaky with it n had a very very long memory for friend or foe, lol. Bur still would never be outwardly aggressive unlike the cattle dogs can be. So true they let you in but no leaving, lol. Best dog I had as a kid was a QLD blue who was as brave as they came n would defend me to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Seems I am going to be boarding a Dingo shortly. I am interested to she what she is like to handle I would be interested in your impresions. :) I have seen them and crosses before but never had to deal with them closely and on a daily basis. I am making sure one exercise yard is escape proof and unable to be climbed out of as I hear they are as nimble as a cat and I won't risk her climbing out. All the runs are escape proof but the yards are not fully enlosed(as in over the top) - yet!Theya re 1.8metres high adn double fenced but I am not taking any risks. Will let you know how I find her :) When I was a young child a local lady had a Fox she kept as a pet. He has his own run and a very securely fenced yard and was only taken out on a leash, not that he seemed to mind, he loved pats and was a very curious creature. I don't remember him smelling? but I was only around 5 I would be seriously putting a roof on the pen or yard. Jodi my cattle girl would leave any time she decided the pups needed a fresh chicken and she wasnt a dingo. she was a rokeglen red cattledog, she was a very agile lump. benni our sons cattledog too could not be contained unless it had a roof. not worth the drama after the event, I assure you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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